Mr Wadephul, there is something much much worse than Israel’s diplomatic isolation. It’s Israel’s fucking genocide.
“The situation must fundamentally improve for the people in the Gaza Strip. The whole world is watching, and this threatens to put Israel in an increasingly difficult position,” he said.
“We urgently need a ceasefire and an agreement on the release of the hostages,” he said. The international situation has escalated to the point where Israel is, unfortunately, finding itself increasingly isolated on the global stage.
So… we need to save Gaza and Palestinians not for their own sake but to help Israel out of a difficult position? What a cynical and fucked-up way of thinking. I think I understand why he and increasing numbers of esp. German politicians bend themselves into pretzels over this: trying to appease public opinion while still supporting the industrial-military complex and the state of Israel, while trying not to appear pro-genocide. Worms.
Born and raised in Germany, I have been a foreigner for 33 years. They had finally changed the ruling about double citizenship, and I was finally ready to apply. But this whole Israel stance is such a disgrace. So far I have not handed an application in, I feel too ashamed. I cannot imagine wanting to join a tribe that does what it does right now.
Right now the front page of the state news features that a hamas video was released and shows the hostages being very thin. I am raging. Yes it is awful. But you have thousands of starving children in Gaza. And you’re doing this on purpose. Hundreds of thousands of people dead, the rest has such a trauma, if they miraculously make it out alive, the trauma will epigenetically be passed on for generations and generations to come. And somehow your focus is still on 50 people? On poor Israel?
I don‘t expect anything to come out of this because the way Germany has been dealing and not dealing with this is frankly atrocious. It‘s also atrocious how German media HAS to remind everyone of the October 7th massacre and claim how it alone „triggered“ the war whenever they talk about Gaza. Just disgusting rhetoric.
Israel should absolutely, unequivocally be a pariah state on the world stage.
Maybe Germany should have cut out a portion of their own territory as restitution to the population they committed genocide upon instead of giving another populated land away without discussion with the current population of that land.
Uhm mate, we take responsibility for the Holocaust, but the creation of the Israeli state is not on us.
The propping up of the genocidal Israeli apartheid regime (and the persecution of the voices within your country opposing it) absolutely is though.
The Holocaust certainly helped to give the final push.
You are right though that Israel is not just the result of Germany. The UK, France, the Soviet Union and other European countries helped to create it.
In all of tge mentioned countries deep rooted antisemitism and the whish to mostly get rid of Jews in Europe were a significant motivation.
You are barking at the wrong tree. It was a UN plan to split the land for Israel and Palestine.
It was the UN plan to help all of Europe with their Jewish problem by making a country somewhere else to move them all out and have a controllable ally in the Middle East.
Britain was more than happy to give up control of Palestine where Jewish Zionist terrorists were killing Brits, while also getting the Jews out of the UK.
Germany was founded in 1949, Israel in 1948.The allies could have though.
The federal republic is the legal successor to the third reich, which was technically still the Weimar republic, which in turn is the legal successor of the German reich founded in 1871.
The laws of the federal repbulic largely build on the laws of the German reich and even kept quite a few of the laws made by the Nazis, such as the laws around abortion. Courts today sometimes rule about upholding or revoking rulings in the Weimar republic.
The German “us” transcends the states. My Great grandmother, born in 1907 lived through 5 variations of Germany, when we seperate Weimar and the third reich.
My argument is not about the transition of responsibility but the legal limit that Germany was occupied. No German could have made the decision of seceding land between 1945 and 1948.
As a side note, in 1907 Germany must have been more like Britain or the EU. Has there been a German “us”?
For the period of occupation that is true, although i’d say that by committing the Holocaust Germany contributed significantly to the idea that a Jewish nation state would be needed for the safety of Jewish people.
In regards to German identity, it is complicated to the point of absurdity. I think the fragileness and relative recentness of a German national identity is playing a big role in overcompensation through extreme nationalism.
To be fair, I doubt most Jews would have seen that as a safe place just after WW2…
With the amount of allied troops in there just after the war, the UN could have cut a large chunk out of Germany for a new Jewish homeland, instead of stealing land from indigenous people of Palestine.
Boo fucking hoo.
Uh wait what? Since when does a foreign minister automatically become a top diplomat?!
I thought you had to have an education/studied/learn diplomacy to become a diplomat? And Wadephul didn’t have that, he’s just a lawyer.
Germans fucking love genocide. Nazi roots have never really died. Now that they cannot kill anyone, they give money to Israel to watch the show. No one can say anything to change my mind until Germany keeps funding foreign wars.
We sure don’t, so keep your generalised rhetoric and stop spouting nonsense.
I am sure most people during Hitler’s rule were against the genocide but did it matter? Complicity is support.
Complying meant that you wouldn’t be put into prison or outright into a concentration camp as well.
Hm but that’s an interesting point. In Nazi Germany people’s excuse was that they didn’t know and if they knew they were against it but because of the Nazi dictatorship they didn’t say anything.
In 2025 Germany the cost of opposing Staatsräson is infinitely lower, it’s possible to speak out and it’s possible to protest even though German police is notorious for beating and locking up anti-Genocide protestors. Yet, the German media and politicians in 2025 are still ironclad in their support. If really the majority of Germans are against this and they are against colonialism, apartheid and genocide, then where are they?
They all know and they don’t have to fear for their lives, yet they are mostly apathetic. Following Occam’s razor the simplest explanation is that they honestly just don’t care.
Yet, the German media and politicians in 2025 are still ironclad in their support.
Luckily not all. Die Linke is against delivering weapons to israel and demand the extradition of Netanyahu. But they are sadly still only a minority in parliament.
This is the whole point of resistance. Standing up to wrong is resistance, even if it needs sacrifice
tell me, would you sacrifice you yourself and your family for a stranger/'s family you were indoctrinated that they were the reason for all bad things?
Would you do it in current times?
The other person pulled you into defending yourself against a ridiculous claim.
they sure did.
