- cross-posted to:
- news@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- news@beehaw.org
This is not about me or the others from the flotilla. There are thousands of Palestinians, hundreds of whom are children, who are being held without trial right now, and many of them are most likely being tortured, says Greta Thunberg.
What we have been through is only a small, small part of what Palestinians have experienced. On the walls of our prison cells, we saw bullet holes with bloodstains and messages carved into the walls by Palestinian prisoners who had been there before us.
When I’m about to get off the boat, there are a bunch of police officers waiting for me. They grab me, pull me to the ground, and throw an Israeli flag over me.
Greta Thunberg describes how she is dragged to a paved area fenced in with iron fences. This is a protracted scene that lasts for over six hours, according to Greta, and is confirmed by several participants in the flotilla that Aftonbladet talks to.
It was kind of dystopian. I saw maybe 50 people sitting in a row on their knees with handcuffs and their foreheads against the ground. They dragged me to the opposite side from where the others were sitting, and I had the flag around me the whole time. They hit and kicked me.
They moved me very brutally to a corner that I was turned towards. ‘A special place for a special lady’, they said. And then they had learned ‘Lilla hora’ (Little Wh0re) and ‘Hora Greta’ (Wh0re Greta) in Swedish, which they repeated all the time.
The flag was placed so that it would touch me. When it fluttered and touched me, they shouted ‘Don’t touch the flag’ and kicked me in the side. After a while, my hands were tied with cable ties, very tightly. A bunch of guards lined up to take selfies with me while I was sitting like that.
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If they do this to a person they know the world is watching and will hear from, think of how much worse it is for the untold nameless gazans taken hostage by Israel.
This is exactly the message messing with Greta was meant to convey. Look what we did and nobody will punish us for it. We will do much worse to you and nobody will care. They are behaving like 1930’s Nazis. Untouchable and unaccountable.
Regardless of what you think about Palestinians, it’s trivial to see that the Israelis are bad guys in this conflict.
Usually, the world is shades of gray, like with Palestinians, so it’s sort of a relief when you can just point to somebody and say, “Well, those guys are clearly the bad guys, and anybody who supports their actions is also bad.”
Unfortunately, all the Israel bots need to do is say “Hamas” and suddenly everyone thinks Israel is a victim.
Bad people can also be victims. They are not mutually exclusive ideas. In fact, it’s quite likely that bad people are disproportionately victims. They do something horrible to somebody else, and those people do something back. Sometimes, it’s simple justice or comeuppance, and other times, it’s escalating violence between two groups of detestable people.
Hurt people hurt people.
Israel adopted the victim mentality a long time ago. Yes, they were victims of the Holocaust and yes, the world had treated them like shit for thousands of years.
The thing is that they adopted their victimhood unequivocally and then became like the spoiled child who knows how to manipulate their ‘parents’ to get what they want. And it’s worked.
There was a time when Israel at least tried to act like a nation of people who wanted to grow, but since Netanyahu and his right-wing alliances took power Israel has become no better than Hamas – using genocidal violence to lead.
There’s plenty of Jews out there who saw what Israel would have to do in order to reach their goal of being a Jewish state from the beginning and wanted nothing to do with it. Plenty of Holocaust survivors at the time were very explicitly against the taking of land from a pre-existing population, and understood that to make it a Jewish state you’d need to remove the people there… somehow.
Some Rabbis have even made the argument that even attempting to form Israel in the first place is heretical.
Anti-zionist Jews have been a thing for as long as Zionism has existed.
"What we have been through is only a small, small part of what Palestinians have experienced. "
Say what you will of Greta, but her ability to remain humble is truly admirable.
She is tough as nails.
Honestly want her to be the Secretary General of the UN. Someone needs to push our international government bodies to be more assertive when dealing with human rights.
She’ll get there. There’s still tempering to be done that comes with more experience and age which benefits and strengthens a political position.
I look forward to it.
I put zero weight in age. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Age can be a bad thing when older generations got us here.
Age can be bad thing when people making decisions are old enough that they won’t have to deal with the consequences of their decisions. Climate policy being a prime example.
This. They honestly don’t care until birth rates declines and they realize there’s not going to be enough poor people around to keep the pyramid scheme going just ~20 more years.
Age can be a bad thing when older generations got us here
What exactly does that mean?
Older generations created the problem. Expecting them to fix the society they built is a fools errand. Even the most progressive older generations aren’t willing to emancipate all of humanity.
A bunch of guards lined up to take selfies with me while I was sitting like that
Really says a lot about the IDF and Israel that they’re always so excited to document the horrible things they do. They’re taking pictures so they can show other people. They think other Israelis - their friends and family - will be excited to see pictures of someone being treated horribly. Reminds me of Rachel Corrie and how they found her murder so funny they’d make pancakes with her face on it. What kind of person celebrates murder like that, and what kind of society allows such public celebration of it?
She’s a non-violent protestor. Why do they take so much joy in being violent to her?
The IDF loves recording themselves committing war crimes, and posting them on telegram.
A sick society that promotes cruelty starting even with their children.
Israelis are sick fucks. Their country is the Nazi Germany of our time. How ironic. Their ancestors are likely spinning in their graves.
Their ancestors are the ones who kicked out the Palestinians in 1948…
I know she wants to stay humble and keep the focus on Palestinian suffering, but it’s important everyone on the flotilla share their experience at the hands of the Israelis.
Every person needs to return to their home country to speak on the depravity of the Israelis and their treatment of foreign nationals to highlight their cruelty and the horrors they inflict upon the population that’s 100% under their control and every whim, who the world has ignored for decades. Of the children held in those same cells deprived of food, water, bedding and often subjected to sexual abuse by both male and female guards.
I believe so too. Greta probably also extra fears being seen as an attention grabber because so many Israeli bot accounts are accusing her of doing it for personal fame and calling it a selfie cruise.
This article is a perfect way of her starting off by making everyone aware that this is happening far worse to Palestinians while also spreading the awareness and I’m glad they finally published it.
Funny that Israel just demolished Palestine’s nation and “found peace” while Trump was being blamed for Greta’s boating incident because he hates her and “windmills”. This world is full of corrupt old men. I just want them all to die with their regimes.
I’m sure our european, government-funded and therfore independend public broadcasting services will be outraged after they hear that our cute little Greta was tortured in a prison that looks Guantanamo-like, with blood and bullet holes in the cells!
The most just army of the world torturing a young, peaceful lady. An army we support!
This will result in weeks of coverage: Politicians being interviewed, human rights experts, Greta herself, debates on what sanctions should be put on Israel…
Just kidding. They’ll hide it between news about a massacre in Africa and the weather report. And in two days, it will all be forgotten.
The most just army of the world torturing a young, peaceful lady.
They called her Hamas, so now anything goes.
Remember this the next time you hear about Hamas terrorism.
our government-funded […] public broadcasting services
Not anymore, it isn’t
And in two days, it will all be forgotten.
I mean, yeah unfortunately it probably will, but not because of the above
they are such good and righteous jews, writing whore and drawing a penis right next to the star of david.
Why are certain countries so obsessed with flags?
pathetic.
The world would be a much better place if we took the concept of countries and removed the borders. Then we can start getting over the whole US and THEM thing, which isn’t helping us to move on from our petty ideologies and prioritise advancing us as whole planet.
I’m sure that the concept of “us” and “them” outdates the concept of countries.
If we got rid of countries then the people over that hill or across that river would become “them”.
Yep. It’s fair to say countries are in the way, but it’s not the whole game.
To this day, individuals are making their own fake borders when they can’t seem to get their own borders created
The problem’s that it’ll always be her word vs theirs, so there’s plausible deniability.
Unless they’re dumb enough to post on social media… then it would be interesting.Going by the Israelis lying record, I’d take the flotilla participants’ word over their any day.
