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Already at 3300, hopefully then can get above 25K pre-orders.
How it does very well and it even gets up to 10K+.
I just realized that I can’t pre-order even if I wanted to since I am not in EU/UK/Norway/Switzerland.
We really need an Android alternative with no involvement from American or Chinese companies.
We really need an Android alternative with no involvement from American or Chinese companies.
This won’t occur without state intervention. The market has already decided to move design and production of phones and phone components to China (and Vietnam to some extent). In order for a European phone to be made, in Europe, the necessary supply chains need to be buit. But there’s no market for them as their output would be more expensive and the market already figured the maximum profit is in the China-Vietnam manufacturing mix. So the state would have to create these supply chains. Minerals, displays, diodes, MOSFETs, ICs, caps, PCBs and small cells. Once that’s in place, creating a European phone manufacturer becomes possible. That’s a decade long process that simpy won’t occur without deliberate and persistent state support. I think it should be done, however you may find a lot of opposition by free market fundamentalists, or interest groups that represent capital in other industries receiving state support.
Agreed. Hardware supply chains and ecosystem externalities are an extremely challenging area and it will take both industrial policy and de facto tariffs to raise the cost of devices with non-local components.
I was refering to the software/OS. An operating system and platform that has nothing to do with Android, iOS or HarmonyOS. I think in theory, software can have faster market adoption.
On the software front, our fastest way to independence is a state-funded software org to fork Android and begin development and maintenance full-time. Whether one goes with non-Android or Android OS, it always comes down to funding development. Starting with Android would likely be significantly cheaper since a lot of work has already been done. And if you fund its continued development away from Google, then Google isn’t a factor anymore. Make an independent app store, Play Services replacement, etc. As I said in another thread, the social infrastructure (people, labour) is more important than the exact technology used. If we have that, we can make a usable phone out of Android or Sailfish, or anything else. It’s a matter of doing the work.
Having independent software with PRC-hardware isn’t a bad compromise. Especially in the near term.
You are likely correct that forking Android would be a better (cheaper and more efficient) option. But I can’t get rid of the feeling that it’s best to do a clean break with American oligarchy and make design choices that reflect regional priorities.
I understand that feeling. If it’s strong enough to drive to using a different base I wouldn’t care much even if it’s more work. The staffing and funding is the real difficult part.
From technical perspective, other than perhaps the software license choice, there’s nothing in AOSP that I’m aware of (not the closed source parts) that’s driven by the oligarchy. I’ve been involved with AOSP at the OEM level for some ten years, some in the early 2010s and then since 2020. AOSP has been fairly well isolated from non-technical decisionmaking at Google, in part due to how many third parties heavily depend on it, and in part because of how pluggable the APIs are. The plugability allowed all anti-features so far to go into installable components that don’t need to be a part of the OS. I think this bullshit with the app “sideloading” changes is the first major change that has no technical basis whatsoever that I’m aware of and requires AOSP surgery to accomodate. There may be more to come from here on out.
I guess you could chalk up the lack of open source app development as part of the oligatchic shitfuckery. I guess it is, but the base apps really are separate from the OS and they’re a pretty small effort compared to the rest of the OS and frameworks.
Anyway. I’ll get this next Jolla phone to try out. Sailfish is an evolution of MeeGo which was the most promising Android alternative in the early 2010s. 😁
I’m happy it got funded. I considered it for a bit myself, however I’m not convinced it can become anything other than a new Pine phone and such. Also, there are no specs, or anything of sorts to justify the asking price.
I realy hope they managed to release this and make it a real competitor , however I’m skeptical.
So anyone know how usable it would be?
As long as it can run Minecraft I’m fine with anything lol
Meh, doom is fine for me
But can it run crysis?
I like how you posted this into the Android community, lol
It can run Android apps!
Yeah, I know. But it’s still a different platform, lol.
I booked it too btw. Initially I thought 95.something€ was the full price. Now I’m unsure if I will continue since my phone is only 2 years old (although I dislike where Google is heading Android and Sailfish looks sick af)
Sweet. I’m even more tired of Google’s shit than Microsoft’s. Apple’s locked down ecosystem is even worse, though, so here I am.
I’d love for this to be my last ever Android phone, but I need some apps for work. (And I’d prefer being able to play some mobile-OS-exclusive games, but that’s not a dealbreaker.)
A proper open-source phone that works as a phone reliably (on bands the only reliable carrier in my part of Canada uses), can run my short list of must-have apps, and that can take decent photos (doesn’t even need to be great)… That’s the dream, right?
Yeah, my main thing is being able to pay with it. Sadly basically all banks have only support for either Google or Apple Wallet and I’m not sure if Google Wallet work with MicroG since it didn’t even work with actual GPServices on a custom rom
Just use a card or cash, IMO having your phone be the only thing you pay with is a risk if it gets stolen.
Android will become like IOS soon.
