Please explain. Seems to me like democracy is people having a roughly equal say in what the government does. (If it’s a representative democracy, then though electing officials who will do so)
So… despite you living in a (supposedly) “democratic” society, your actual day-to-day life is governed by that which is decidedly anti-democratic, correct?
No my day to day life is literally governed by the government.
What would you call a democracy? Who should be citizens of a company? Right now, publicly owned companies do reflect the desires of their ‘citizens,’ the shareholders. Does that count as democratic for you?
That would almost certainly be a better method than superdelegates and corporations/lobbyists/PACs choosing our president and pretending to give us a choice. The election is a year out and, unless one of them drops dead, we already know with certainty who our two choices will be, and at least one of them would never be an option for most people.
The electoral college elects the president. We just vote on which side gets to send it’s people there. Don’t know a single name of one of these voters and they can and do vote against the will of the people. It’s a partial democracy at best and really needs to change to popular vote already.
Last time I checked nobody in the US got an option to vote for “let’s not be an psychotic, thoroughly evil mass-murdering neocolonialist monstrosity that threatens the entire planet with nukes.”
I’m so tired of seeing thread #35738272 of Lemmy not understanding how a liberal democracy works. ‘WHY ARE WE NOT VOTING OUT THE OBVIOUS FASCISTS AND VOTING IN THE SOCIALIST UTOPIA RIGHT NOW, CLEARLY DEMOCRACY IS BROKEN’
Or does it perhaps mean “engage in a rigged spectacle every four years where the majority of people get to choose between two overmoneyed bureaucrats whose allegiance to the status quo has been vetted by corporate interests?”
“Liberal democracy” is no more democratic than “social darwinism” is socialist - or Darwinist.
Yeah but western elections aren’t rigged are they. You get a lot of choice. The two final candidates are just one part of that in the US system. Elsewhere there is much more variety, but the people tend to vote for safe, mainstream moderate candidates (with notable far right exceptions), which is why they consistently govern Europe and North America. Sadly, the world isn’t just confused populist leftists. Everyone does actually just want what they’ve all voted for.
Ahhh, but you see, Cuba is attacking the US with it’s dangerous ideas - such as, for instance, the idea that you could not treat healthcare simply as a glorified scam to enrich billionaire parasites and nothing else.
That is far, far worse than people flying airplanes full of people into buildings full of people.
This is what baffles me. Knowing what we know, how tf are they still considered an ally or friendly? Even recently with their manipulation of oil prices with Russia.
Because until we have energy independence (sometimes called green energy), they’re the devil we’re in bed with … Which is yet another reason to get away from oil
I would argue that Carter was, he was even pro solar energy back during his presidency. He got screwed by the whiplash from previous administrations economic policy and got all the blame, so that really framed his time in office. It’s only recently that people have really started looking at his tenure differently.
No benefit at all, but I doubt the U.S. will be discussing much with Cuba unless they agreed to get rid of the Chinese base that was built there. Id rather it be lifted but it’ll be staying for awhile.
Well, you see, the “good” part is that your opinion doesn’t matter to the US government, if it makes you feel any better. Most Americans don’t support many things, yet they still have to live with the decisions of a small elitist group that have hijacked power.
And instead of banding together and doing something about those evil motherfuckers, you all meekly submit to other rotting flesh bags who have no more right to rule over you than a sack of potatoes does.
As an American, I’d like the US to end it’s embargo on Cuba.
Well the US isn’t a democracy so our votes don’t matter.
Democracy index has it listed as a flawed democracy at 7.85. The cutoff for a hybrid regime is 6.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
“land of the free”
That which is pro-capitalist is utterly anti-democratic - so I wouldn’t trust anything The Economist has to say about the subject.
Please explain. Seems to me like democracy is people having a roughly equal say in what the government does. (If it’s a representative democracy, then though electing officials who will do so)
I have to explain this to you? Fine.
Do tell… how democratic is the place you work?
I don’t work in the government, so it isn’t.
So… despite you living in a (supposedly) “democratic” society, your actual day-to-day life is governed by that which is decidedly anti-democratic, correct?
No my day to day life is literally governed by the government.
What would you call a democracy? Who should be citizens of a company? Right now, publicly owned companies do reflect the desires of their ‘citizens,’ the shareholders. Does that count as democratic for you?
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What, did your President chosen by a kiss from a bald eagle?
Edit: guys, issa joke.
That would be more acceptable than the real way, which is simply being chosen by the American oligarchs.
That would almost certainly be a better method than superdelegates and corporations/lobbyists/PACs choosing our president and pretending to give us a choice. The election is a year out and, unless one of them drops dead, we already know with certainty who our two choices will be, and at least one of them would never be an option for most people.
The electoral college elects the president. We just vote on which side gets to send it’s people there. Don’t know a single name of one of these voters and they can and do vote against the will of the people. It’s a partial democracy at best and really needs to change to popular vote already.
It’s extremely rare for that to happen and I think last time it did happen the states made it illegal right after.
Last time I checked nobody in the US got an option to vote for “let’s not be an psychotic, thoroughly evil mass-murdering neocolonialist monstrosity that threatens the entire planet with nukes.”
I’m so tired of seeing thread #35738272 of Lemmy not understanding how a liberal democracy works. ‘WHY ARE WE NOT VOTING OUT THE OBVIOUS FASCISTS AND VOTING IN THE SOCIALIST UTOPIA RIGHT NOW, CLEARLY DEMOCRACY IS BROKEN’
It’s very easy to understand (so-called) “liberal” democracy - as long as you understand that there is absolutely nothing democratic about it.
Except loads of stuff, like your ability to vote, and for that vote to contribute to deciding who leads the country.
What does the word democracy mean?
Does it perhaps mean, “rule by the people?”
Or does it perhaps mean “engage in a rigged spectacle every four years where the majority of people get to choose between two overmoneyed bureaucrats whose allegiance to the status quo has been vetted by corporate interests?”
“Liberal democracy” is no more democratic than “social darwinism” is socialist - or Darwinist.
Yeah but western elections aren’t rigged are they. You get a lot of choice. The two final candidates are just one part of that in the US system. Elsewhere there is much more variety, but the people tend to vote for safe, mainstream moderate candidates (with notable far right exceptions), which is why they consistently govern Europe and North America. Sadly, the world isn’t just confused populist leftists. Everyone does actually just want what they’ve all voted for.
I suspect the bald eagle would have kissed someone else.
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People can freely travel to places like Saudi Arabia but somehow Cuba still on embargo
The difference is that Saudi dissidents aren’t a significant voting block in any US state.
Still we’ve been attacked in multiple ways by the Saudis but not Cuba.
fuck the power of oil
Ahhh, but you see, Cuba is attacking the US with it’s dangerous ideas - such as, for instance, the idea that you could not treat healthcare simply as a glorified scam to enrich billionaire parasites and nothing else.
That is far, far worse than people flying airplanes full of people into buildings full of people.
(/s - for the terminally bewildered)
Uhh, we have an embargo on being attacked by Cuba though.
Saudi Arabia never “threatened” the US with nukes
Saudi Arabia funded Osama to kill over 2,000 Americans on 9/11
This is what baffles me. Knowing what we know, how tf are they still considered an ally or friendly? Even recently with their manipulation of oil prices with Russia.
Because until we have energy independence (sometimes called green energy), they’re the devil we’re in bed with … Which is yet another reason to get away from oil
The US has energy independence. The US’ concern with oil prices is more based on the stability of its allies.
The link has plausible deniability, and in politics that matters more than what is likely
Cuba never flew a plane into a building.
No but they sent two planes into towers in NYC, dropping them both and killing thousands in an instant.
…and the US threatens everybody on the planet with nukes.
Who?
Are you lost?
No? Who does the US threaten with nukes. Outside of one case with Trump and North Korea I can’t think of any.
You mean… apart from literally every man, woman and child on the damn planet? What did you think they have those nukes for? As desert decorations?
Deterrent !== Threatening. Owning a gun is very different from pointing it at someone
You can thank the orange baby for cancelling all progress made by Obama, I’m surprised Biden didn’t start normalizing relations again…
I hadn’t even realized we reverted back. I remember Obama starting to normalize relationships with Cuba, but hadn’t read anything since.
Yep, in November 2017
Biden is a warm blanket of piss of a Democrat, don’t expect too much from his administration
I mean, by non-US Western standards the USA has never elected someone further left than center right so even Obama wasn’t very progressive either…
I would argue that Carter was, he was even pro solar energy back during his presidency. He got screwed by the whiplash from previous administrations economic policy and got all the blame, so that really framed his time in office. It’s only recently that people have really started looking at his tenure differently.
Just to add https://theconversation.com/jimmy-carter-in-cuba-46109
Yeah I guess he’s the exception, too bad he was sandwiched between Ford and Reagan…
Tell that to a Republican voter and their heads would explode. “YOU’RE AN IGNORANT LIAR, ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS!”
This is what they’re told to think by the media they choose to consume. :/
I agree, there’s little to no benefit in making an enemy out of Cuba.
There’s a bunch of votes in Florida on the line. What I don’t understand is why Democrats care, since they aren’t getting most of them anyway.
That’s only changed in the last few years, Florida was a swing state before that
Capitalism versus socialism.
No benefit at all, but I doubt the U.S. will be discussing much with Cuba unless they agreed to get rid of the Chinese base that was built there. Id rather it be lifted but it’ll be staying for awhile.
Well, you see, the “good” part is that your opinion doesn’t matter to the US government, if it makes you feel any better. Most Americans don’t support many things, yet they still have to live with the decisions of a small elitist group that have hijacked power.
And instead of banding together and doing something about those evil motherfuckers, you all meekly submit to other rotting flesh bags who have no more right to rule over you than a sack of potatoes does.
They have no other choice, muh capitalism
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So? There’s no official language in the US, and there shouldn’t be. People should be able to speak whatever language they want.