• Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    How are guns protecting people exactly? Shouldn’t the USA be exemplary instead of the worst rich country if guns were preventing anything? 🤔 Have you thought that maybe the issue also comes from people who think like you and the more firearms are accessible, the easier it is to kill someone in a moment that would just pass without any homicide happening if people didn’t have access to firearms?

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      Well, 100,000 defensive gun uses is more than 12,000 intentional homicides by 88,000, that’s how. That’s 88,000 times someone DID NOT become a victim of violence because THEY had a gun of their own, and that is the low estimate.

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        Ok, that’s the number for the USA, how does the actual crime rate compare to other countries? If the number show that even with more guns there’s more crime then it’s clear that guns aren’t the solution, isn’t it? Wouldn’t your goal be that both those number become as low as possible?

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

        You know, there’s more to gun violence than homicides and experts agree that they’re used more for crime then self defense. Adding more and more to the mix is just repeating the cold war at a human level, it’s not fixing anything.

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          Here’s the thing about other countries: There are other variables! Crazy I know, but things like healthcare and wealth inequality and our shit ass school system that more often than not syphons money to the school board while the rest of the country suffers, actually also play a part. Funny how that works.

          Source on that? Cause by everything I’ve seen the estimate of crime with gun regardless of injury is 80,000/yr which is still less than 100,000.

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            Alright, I’m glad to see that we agree that what’s needed isn’t guns then, it’s to solve the underlying issues. Happy to see you changed your mind. Good talk! Have fun!

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              Lol, no, me making fun of your ridiculous definition of “need” is the complete opposite of agreeing. I prefer the definition the rest of the world uses, y’know, the nondelusional people.

              https://www.wordnik.com/words/need

              noun A condition or situation in which something must be supplied in order for a certain condition to be maintained or a desired state to be achieved. noun Something required or wanted; a requisite. noun Necessity; obligation. noun A condition of poverty or misfortune. intransitive verb To be under the necessity of or the obligation to. intransitive verb To have need of; require. intransitive verb To have an obligation (to do something). intransitive verb To be subject (to an action) by obligation. intransitive verb To want to be subject to. intransitive verb To be in need or want. intransitive verb To be necessary.

              Not one of those mentions “will die without.” That’s you. You aren’t the arbiter of definitions no matter what your delusions of grandeur convince you of.