Just running out the clock until August 19.
Biden:
There’s no time to run anyone else!
Voters:
The convention is a month away…
Biden:
I’ma need a month to think about this then
If Biden “isn’t sure” then he can participate in whatever primary we can slap together and show voters what he’s made of while we evaluate other options.
We could have just done that for a legit primary months ago. But as soon as they stole NH’ s delegates I knew it was going to be a shit show.
I just wish more people listened back then.
We should have had people on the street as soon as they pulled that undemocratic shit.
I hadn’t before heard about what happened in NH. Fascinating.
Yeah, it’s fucking nuts.
New Hampshire argued it would not move its primary, because it was bound by its state constitution to be first.
The DNC then stripped the state of its 24 delegates and Mr Biden did not register as a candidate, nor did he campaign in the state. Voting in primaries decides the number of delegates that in turn select the party’s nominee at the national convention in August.
It’s expecially fucked considering how NH has been consistently voting for progressives over party favorites. I forget what bullshit they gave for reasons, but the real reason NH lost delegates was NH never voted for the DNC’s pick
Like, everything about the entire situation was fucked, but it was immediately replaced in the news cycle with:
Biden wins NH in historic write in campaign!
But Biden’s already turning on the media just for asking questions. He’s not going to get much more favorable coverage.
Green, whose wife’s uncle was Biden’s college roommate, also provided insight into last week’s meeting that governors had with the president. During the meeting, Green asked Biden about his health. Biden responded by saying everything was fine except for his brain.
Green told the AP that the president was joking, and that context was lost when leaked by other people.
“It was absolutely a joke, and in order to make a self-deprecating joke, you have to have intact cognitive function, period,” Green said.
Biden is trying to just “laugh off” valid concerns, that’s not a good strategy.
And this governor is giving a different story then Biden’s “all the govenors support me, they all said to stay in”:
He also discounted any assertion that advisers crafted the meeting to have governors supportive of Biden speak first to quell any dissent. Instead, he said it was a very candid, unscripted conversation with 25 governors with differing opinions.
“That call had just like you’d expect in a coffee shop, a few people mouthed off, a few people, you know, probably excessively praised the president, but almost everybody was just trying to see, ‘Are we OK?’” Green said.
It should be concerning that Biden is presenting this wrong intentionally to help his campaign, but it’s much worse if he’s just completely ignoring criticism and walked out thinking everyone supported him 100% and had no concerns.
Yeah, but we’re talking American politics.
As much as it shouldn’t matter and makes them nothing…
It probably matters. It’s still an “old boys club” especially for Biden. Up until a year or two ago he wouldn’t shut up about how much he misses hanging out with republicans. Like his old buddy and infamous racist Strom Thurmond or Mitch McTurtle.
Look, I don’t like Biden, either, but unless you have a name of a candidate we’re all supposed to rally behind an elect via acclamation at the convention, what’s the point in attacking the presumptive nominee?
Same thing I told you last night bro.
You asked literally the same question, and I responded with this:
- You and everyone else willing to vote for Biden, will vote for any Dem.
- Some people don’t want trump, but won’t vote Biden.
- There exist other politicians who can be the Dem nominee.
Conclusion: Sticking with Biden, becomes the worst chance at beating trump.
Don’t worry about anything else, just look at that logic.
Can you find any flaw in it?
But just so you don’t keep asking:
I’m curious, though, who is your candidate?
AOC
But again. All we’re talking about who can beat Trump. And if that logic up there isn’t something you disagree with, let me know. Just stripping this all down to a pure logic thing.
I’m optimistic this will work.
There are actual congress-people talking about a mini primary for Democrats, and that by having something like that right now is going to dominate national news for the party, which right before an election is really good thing. Democrats could even spin it as “We’re listening to you-- you want a younger candidate? We’re gonna give you one,” rather than “We are in complete disarray regarding this upcoming election.” Regardless, whichever nominee makes it out of those is going to have plenty of name recognition by the end of it.
This is not a ridiculous or far-fetched notion, it is being spit-balled right now by congresspeople. Everything hinges on Biden, so we’ll just have to see how his polls look like next week, if any other major voices join in the calls for him to step aside, and how the crises meetings in Congress go.
But Im not sure how people downvoting you are so confident in Biden or why they’re so baffled about this whole thing. Like, “Who’s could possibly be the nominee of it’s not Biden?” Oh I dunno, one of the 15 names national news outlets have been proposing for the last week?
Psst: a “mini-primary” is just an election among DNC delegates. You know, the thing they have to do anyway. And 99% of those delegates were named by Biden’s campaign, and will do what he directs them to do.
It might generate a televised debate, but all that will do is show off the back bench of the party for 2032 (or 2028 if Harris loses). If Biden backs out, Harris will be the nominee, and no amount of Progressive whining will change that.
Moderate Democrats are like vegetables, nobody really looks forward to them but they give you energy to fight Fascism. Eat your peas!
And 99% of those delegates were named by Biden’s campaign
Biden personally nominated the DNC chair and appoints 47 (maybe 77?) voting seats, then the DNC votes to confirm the chair the incoming president appointed.
And there’s around 470 voting positions in the DNC.
So, Biden isn’t appointing the majority. But the vast majority are establishment Dems who agree with Biden 100% and would rather see trump as president than progressive leadership of the DNC.
If Biden backs out, Harris will be the nominee, and no amount of Progressive whining will change that.
Bruh…
In 2012 progressives voted for Obama despite him not being as progressive as he campaigned in 08…
In 2016 progressives held their noses and voted Clinton…
In 2020 we held our noses and voted for Biden…
In 2024 progressives will largely show up and vote D, whether it’s Biden, Harris, or anyone else. Just like what has been happening for decades.
What progressives have been screaming since 2019 is that Biden isnt really popular and he isn’t our best shot to stop trump. And we need to run our best bet that we’ve been saying since 2015.
The problem is moderates decided on Biden, and they’re used to always getting exactly what they want. That’s why they fight against Kamala so hard despite like 99% of her and Biden’s domestic policy likely being identical.
Moderates will still get what they want, they’re just not used to any kind of compromise inside the Dem party.
When people say Biden can’t win, were talking about the “non party” voters that allowed Biden to squeak thru last year. People that just “stay out of” politics and are the entire reason political campaign exist and Biden needs billions of dollars to beat Trump.
But instead of talking about how to get those votes like responsible adults, moderates just want a slap fight and for everyone to shut up and vote as told.
The big issue is, no metrics or data looks like Biden will win. I don’t think a president has ever been elected with an approval rating as low as Biden.
I don’t think you understand just how bad a 34% approval rating is for an incumbent…
Everything hinges on Biden
Not really. The DNC is a private non government organization that can do whatever they want
They could say they’re putting Taylor Swift on the ballot, and I don’t even think they need their candidates permission.
They just won’t choose to boot Biden if he doesn’t drop.
I believe the distinction is important.
But Im not sure how people downvoting you are so confident in Biden or why they’re so baffled about this whole thing.
Yeah, at this point I just saved that comment with the logic broken down, and that’s what I’m using when I get asked “BuT wHo?”. Because fuck, I get asked that a lot.
That account didn’t reply last night, asked the same fucking question less than 12 hours later… And isn’t going to answer now either.
Because there is literally no logical reason for Biden to be the candidate.
What I think, is they only care about 100% support to Israel. trump isn’t reliable enough, and if Russia gets pulled in by the 4+1 treaty…
I don’t know how anyone could think trump would side with Israel over Russia. He’d turn on Israel and Ukraine both in a heartbeat.
Israel is the only logical reason someone would insist on Biden, they just know if they said it, it would just hurt Biden more. So they can’t give a single valid reason for their insistence in Biden.
It does matter if Biden decides to stay in. It makes it far less likely the DNC is able to replace him, because the delegates are already pledged to him, and as far as I understand, in order to replace him they’d need a clear alternative singular candidate to nominate. Plus, they’d need to stop Biden from reviewing and selecting a loyal slate of delegates from each state who will certainly vote for him. It’d be much much more likely if Biden steps down and himself calls for a 5 or 6 week primary. My source, if you want to check it out. There’s a chance I’m misinterpreting but I think that’s the jist of it.
As for those people rigorously defending Biden, I don’t necessarily think they’re automatically pro-Israel. They’re scared, for sure, as we all are. And they’ve probably bought some of, if not all, the Democratic posturing that Biden is just fine, and other writers’ sentiments that doing something like changing the nominee last-minute will be a disaster because it is unprecedented, and so they double down. Like a superfan in sports who is in complete denial that their team has a glaring weakness and probably won’t make it out of the playoffs. You see it all the time. I won’t ever hold it against those people, because it’s easy to be in that state, especially if you love your team. Plus, if you logic it out with them, sometimes they come around and end up seeing the roster change was actually needed. I don’t think deriding them gives them a chance to see your side.
