American gen Z voters share how they feel about Kamala Harris’s presidential bid, why they like or dislike her as a candidate and whether they think she could beat Donald Trump, as the vice-president races towards winning the Democratic nomination for November’s election.
‘I think she’s just what we need’
“I think [Kamala Harris] is the only one that makes sense. She will get the votes Biden couldn’t. She could get the Black, Asian, Latino, women’s, LGBTQ+ and youth votes. She stands more for progress and equality than an old white dude and if she wins it will be historic. The Democrats need a bold move and I think she’s just what we need.
“I hope the Democrats realize what an opportunity this is for them.” Will, 22, construction worker from Portland, Oregon
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the big winning factor for kamalas voter base is literally just her age. She’s nearly 20 years younger than trump. 20 years
literally nothing else matters. Especially among gen z, it just helps that he has such a comprehensive background in government and around other politicians as well.
the big winning factor for kamalas voter base is literally just her age.
Its her (relatively thin) track record. Biden’s been wading through the blood of a hundred Palestinians a day for the last six months. Kamala’s kept her hands relatively clean.
I suspect the Kids Today are going to sour on her as her profile rises. She’s got a long history of saying shit that turns off youth voters at the actual polls. But for the moment, people are exuberant about Genocide Joe being shown the door. That - plus JD Vance getting caught with his dick between a pair of couch cushions - is giving her campaign a healthy bump.
Anyone who is holding Biden responsible for Israel is an idiot. Congress is the one who votes for or against aid. Not handing the aid that congress approved in an election year is bordering on political suicide with the moderates knowing that moderates in swing states will entirely decide this election. Harris’ big virtue on this issue is that she isn’t president and has virtually no power to do anything so she can talk more. Blame ought to accrue to Israelis, their leaders, their hard liners, congress, and the US population for still cleaving to Israel after all their behavior.
Anyone who is holding Biden responsible for Israel is an idiot. Congress is the one who votes for or against aid.
The Biden administration once again bypasses Congress on an emergency weapons sale to Israel
God, progressives suck. Conservatives vote. Every election. Doesn’t matter what the polls say. Doesn’t matter what the weather is. Doesn’t matter who is running. They fucking VOTE. That’s why a small minority is able to run roughshod over the interests of the majority: the majority doesn’t fucking vote!!
That’s because their party reflects their voters’ will. More than two-thirds of Democrats said that they didn’t want Joe Biden for a second term, but they forced him through the nomination process anyway, without any challenge or debate. Meanwhile, the Republican party elites didn’t want Trump on 2016 or 2024, but when their voters chose him, they accepted it. They didn’t make back room deals with the other candidates to make Jeb the nominee, like the Democrats did for Biden.
I honestly think it’s more accurate to say Republican voters reflect their party’s will (or more accurately Trump’s will). Trump can say and do anything and Maga voters will fall in line behind him no matter what. Even if what he says or does goes against what Republicans have historically been in favor of. Like when he sunk Nafta for his own terrible plan. He runs a cult of personality and the republican party had to either nominate him or be abandoned by their enflamed base.
Dems should have absolutely nominated Bernie. But if Bernie started spouting hateful rhetoric like Trump does he wouldn’t have a base anymore.
Dems should have absolutely nominated Bernie.
Idk. I think Bernie would have made a better President, but I still question whether he’d have made a winning President. Americans are easily Red Baited, and I could see Republicans cowing a lot of moderate liberals with “He’ll turn American into Venezuela!” scare stories and some sudden sharp drops in everyone’s retirement funds on the eve of the election.
In 2020, Biden was absolutely the safe path to victory, even if he was a corporate shill and genocidal enabler through his time in office.
And then Democrats convinced Biden to not run for a second term. Sounds like the party did in fact listen to the voters’ will, and that’s being reflected in the excitement that we’re seeing across the board.
And you know what? I wish Republicans made backroom deals. I wish they recognized Trump was a significant threat and aligned to go against him.
And then Democrats convinced Biden to not run for a second term.
The polls, plus stingy donors, convinced Biden not to run.
Of course, Lemmy-ites will insist that polls don’t matter and you can just scream at people to vote if you’re at a fund raising disadvantage when you need to close the gap.
I wish Republicans made backroom deals. I wish they recognized Trump was a significant threat and aligned to go against him.
When Republicans make backroom deals, you get a 5-4 SCOTUS majority halting the recount process in Florida.
We’re somewhat lucky that Trump was on such shit terms with Doug Ducey and Brian Kemp in 2020.
No. It isn’t. And no, it doesn’t.
They vote no matter what. They vote even if they hate the candidate. Even if they hate the platform. They vote out of a sense of moral obligation that progressives entirely lack.
Their party works against their interests. I know it, you know it, and anyone who looks at it critically for half a second knows it. And yet they still vote.
There was that interesting research ten years back about the pillars of conservative and progressive morality. I seem to recall conservatives having five nearly universal core values, while progressives had only three of those. Conservatives value tradition and loyalty on an equal level with eg fairness and truth. Liberals still value tradition and loyalty, but they are not core values, and so things like truth take a higher priority. Conservatives literally don’t care about the facts when they feel like their loyalty is tested.
Their party works against their interests. I know it, you know it, and anyone who looks at it critically for half a second knows it. And yet they still vote.
I didn’t say their party reflects their interests, I said it reflects their will. Sure, the Republican policies screw over the working class, but Republican voters want candidates that will blame their problems on welfare recipients and immigrants, and they get it. They want religious zealots who will merge religion and government, and they get it. They want regressive social policies, and they get them. Meanwhile, Democratic voters ask for universal healthcare and get Mitt Romney’s healthcare plan. They want the BBB plan, with universal pre-K and the expanded child tax credit, and they get an infrastructure deal.
Republicans tell their politicians what they want, and their politicians go out and get it, or at least try. Democrats tell their politicians what they want, and their politicians tell them why they can’t have it. That’s why turnout is different.
We have lots of research on this subject. I am not stating personal opinions. This is the reason that voter disenfranchisement favours conservative voters.
Voter disenfranchisement? As in, laws that restrict voting? Then which is it? Progressives don’t show up or progressives are disenfranchised?
You guys are both right. Democrats ignore progressives to their detriment, and republicans line up dutifully to elect people who that truly represent who they are (i.e. hate-filled war mongers that want to punish women, minorities, LGBT, and democrats for being different).
This implies that progressives are the majority which, as a progressive, I highly doubt.
If you look at the Republican parties platform 70% of America is to the left of it
Conservatives vote. Every election.
Turnout has varied enormously over the last twenty years. Conservatives are riding the same waves as the rest of us. A lot of that is built into home ownership. We’re seeing a more migrant population that needs to constantly re-register and re-engage with the local political establishment after every change of address. Republicans are no longer the home-owning majority, now that the college demographic has shifted over to the liberal side of the spectrum. And Democrats are no longer the freshly migrant urbanites of the post Jim Crow era, fleeing the brutality of the Dixiecrat states.
Dems have eclipsed Republicans on voter registration, they consistently out-compete on turnout, and they’ve had a number of wave elections in off-years precisely because they’re more consistent at voting than their Republican peers.
That’s why a small minority is able to run roughshod over the interests of the majority
No. Gerrymandering, vote caging, and strategic disenfranchisement at the county and state level are why small minorities are able to run roughshod over the interests of the majority. States like Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, and Texas have absolutely batshit insane maps, with a handful of districts packed to the gills full of liberal voters while conservatives are spread thinly across the remainder. Wisconsin just broke the GOP gerrymander that’s kept the state legislature locked firmly red with barely 40% of the popular vote.
That’s been a clever stopgap against popular governance in the short term, but its also a dangerous game when a suburban cohort shifts or defects on razor thin margins.
When Dem wave years happen, you can see thousands of seats flip overnight. But without that supermajority of voters, you’ll see those same seats collapse red again. That was the story of 2008 -> 2010 and 2016 -> 2018 -> 2020. Suddenly influxes of Democrats would appear for a cycle only to get obliterated in time for Republicans to recement their gerrymanders.
Consequently, the Republican strategy has been to run out the clock on incoming Dem administrations, confident that they’ll be back in control as soon as the wave passes. Democrat strategy has been to… fuck around for the two years they have a significant majority and then bitch at voters when the moment passes.
In politics it’s the opposite of “devil you know”. It’s why Congress flips so much after a presidents first election.
People know Biden know, and the more people know Biden the less they like him.
I don’t think Harris will be great, but there is a chance she will be. That’s enough to get a lot more votes than Biden.
If she hits the ground running we could even gain seats in 2026 for once. But she can’t just “look into” shit to run down the clock. She needs a list of shit they can accomplish, and how many votes in Congress to accomplish each.
Be totally upfront about what we can do, and actually try to accomplish what we can do on day 1.
People will remember that come midterms.
