Who is dying on a hill? I’m just pointing out that I know you don’t care about data when you find it inconvenient. Data like:
“They begrudgingly supported him once it became clear that he was going to win. They never wanted to support him, they are only doing it to save face.”
Yes, I know that you don’t care about data that does’t fit your obviously bullshit narrative. That’s like… your whole thing.
They begrudgingly supported him once it became clear that he was going to win. They never wanted to support him, they are only doing it to save face. How long did it take Jeffries to endorse him?
The president is not elected directly by the people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
“The election of the president and vice president of the United States is an indirect election…”
“Trans people want basic human rights?!? What kind of crazy, idealistic world do you think we live in? We have to abandon you now, but don’t worry, we’ll totally come back for you after we get ours.”
You think basic human rights are idealism?
No wonder the Democrat’s approval rating is so low. Your party is so spineless.
I’ve not read All-Star yet, but I keep getting it recommended to me. Thanks!
Have you ever read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman%3A_Red_Son ?
I’m not a big fan of Superman stuff, but I found that one to be pretty interesting.
Youtube has been hiding videos from me for years. I’d look at my “Subscriptions” page, and wouldn’t see anything new. Then I’d go to the channel’s page, and see a few new videos.
That prompted me to start using my RSS reader instead of youtube subscriptions. A more reliable experience, for sure.
Your defense of the first link is a lazy copout. Don’t cite a source and then say “don’t believe my source” lmao.
I didn’t say that. I gave you a source of them giving handouts to their rich friends.
The bailout money has been paid back, plus interest. It is largely considered a plan that worked. Your complaints are a great example of letting perfect be the enemy of good.
That doesn’t detract from what I said at all. I said they got handouts, which they did.
Your politico link points out what I said; Biden wanted to do x for the people; Republicans in Congress stopped him.
Republicans AND Democrats. And he could have fast-tracked money to keep them going, just like he did for the war-machine . He chose to sit back, and let them lapse.
Your Atlantic link is paywalled. But I think I’ve read enough to justify disregarding anything else you have to say since it doesn’t seem like you’re reading your own shit, thereby not respecting my time in any meaningful way.
Says the person wasting my time. If you aren’t going to read what I wrote, why ask questions?
Democrats are absolutely worth criticizing, and it’s not just our right, but our duty to do so. But let’s not pretend that they are the party of fucking over the working class to help their rich friends. That is squarely on the Republican party. All they have done in my lifetime is block help for the working class, roll back help for the working class (which were passed by Democrats), and pass tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. Oh yeah, and dissolve our rights and speedrun into fascism. How could I forget that one. So if you want to talk about a party fucking the people over, let’s talk about them.
I talk about the Republicans doing that all the time. But Democrats are indeed fucking over the working class to help their rich friends, as evidenced above. Of course, if you don’t read things that you find inconvenient, it’s probably difficult for you to understand that.
Name a time when the right wing Democratic party have had a clear shot at improving things.
Under Obama and Biden, they had the power to improve things. Instead they chose to give handouts to their rich friends, and screwed over the voters.
Every single time that they seize power, they destroy the economy and our rights. Every single fucking time.
Oh, you mean like what the Democrats keep doing?
Link 1 explicitly lays out why it’s not a handout to the rich.
Oh, well, just because they said it isn’t a bailout must mean that it isn’t a bailout. There’s no way politicians would lie.
For links 2-4, I posted the wrong ones. I’ve added corrections, my apologies
FWIW, I meant that as two separate things, although there is some crossover.
Giving handouts to their rich friends:
Edit: Wrong link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008
Correct link: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2009/12/13/obamas-big-sellout-president-has-packed-his-economic-team-wall-street-insiders
Screwing over the working class:
Edit: Wrong link https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/25/politics/covid-19-relief-programs-ending/
Correct link: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/23/biden-social-safety-net-2024-00128488
Edit: Wrong link https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/neil-barofsky-on-foaming-the-l
Correct link: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/obamas-failure-to-mitigate-americas-foreclosure-crisis/510485/
And that’s just stuff off the top of my head. I’m not mentioning the wars, the cushy government contracts, etc.
We’ve not been doingi it. Non voting is the biggest block for decades now.
Yes we have. We did it under Obama, and Biden. Guess what happened? They rolled back %5 of the facist policy, beefed up the rest, gave handouts to their rich friends, took away more civil rights, and bombed the fuck outta people.
If you don’t work to build a leftist movement you’ll never have one. Voting for harm minimization is still helpful as we build.
And I’m saying: I am building one. By voting for actual leftists, instead of cosplayers.
The Democrats learned from what happened to the Republican party, and set up systems to prevent that from happening. You can keep fighting to rehabilitate them, but I’m not gonna waste my time. Just like you can fight to rehabilitate the Republicans if you want, but I’m not gonna hold my breath for that either.
You claim that you have other options. Which ones are those? The third parties that will never win because the system strongly favours a 2-party system?
No, the third parties that can win. The same types of parties that have taken control before, in the US and other countries.
To be fair. They have tried with what they believe Americans want.
No they didn’t. Americans have very clearly been saying that they want someone who is not a status-quo, neoliberal politician, who is only in it to help out their donors. The Democrats keep saying “Nah, we’re just gonna pick the candidate for you.”
They didn’t do this because they are bad at reading what people want, they did this because their core philosophy is directly oppositional to what Americans want.
It’s been on the decline lately, but the last ~10 years there has been a big trend of “Americans wants black women”. If a movie had a group of at least 4 people, a black woman was one of them. If an ad had 4 people in quick succession, a black woman was one of them.
What are you talking about? I’ve never heard anyone say that. It might shock you to hear this, but movies aren’t where you find out what voters want.
So they saw this opportunity and decided that the most important thing would be having the first black woman president.
No, they saw the opportunity to have another corporate shill who won’t rock the boat and took it. She just happened to be the VP at the time, so they could justify not having an actual primary.
And of course, going for cultural-left made them lose against the most incompetent opponent.
No, them picking terrible, center-right candidates, running on terrible, center-right policies, and openly telling their voter-base to sit down and shut up is what made them lose.
Or they might just be physically unable to be an economically left party, so they go with cultural left in order to differentiate themselves with the fascism party.
They aren’t physically unable, they chose to be bound by what their donors tell them.
Vote for the next lesser evil until its all rolled back and we have a non imperial foreign policy.
And hows that been working out? The lesser evil keep marching towards the right. They even fight against anyone who says we can do more than just roll-back 5%.
If you don’t work to build a leftist movement you’ll never have one. Voting for harm minimization is still helpful as we build.
Or we could just vote for leftists, instead of right-wingers who lightly cosplay as leftists in the hopes that one of these days, they’ll change course and become actual leftists.
But when they did hold power, they spent that time giving handouts to their rich friends, and screwing over the working class.
Yes, this instance is totally Trump’s fault, but they aren’t wrong in saying that the Democrats have been pretty openly not trying to solve people’s problems.
Who is talking about the banks? WTF are you on about?
I think you missed this part again:
It’s almost like you don’t like engaging with data that doesn’t fit your narrative. Weird, I wonder where I heard that before.