They are good distros for beginners. But over time some people switch to Arch-based systems or NixOS. Because of HUGE software list that you can install without much hassle, you don’t have to add 3-rd party repositories or PPAs or figure out how to install .tar.gz package in your system or how to compile from source. You just type one command to install something hard to obtain in other distros.

Win 11 still looks ugly.

My main desktop OS in Linux. But on my Windows 11 VM I’m using StartAllBack app. It makes start menu, task panel to be normal again, like it was in Windows 7 and XP.