• SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    China and Russia worked very hard to get these rich stupid people in power.

    It really started in 2016 when US security agencies released a joint report showing Russia was spreading misinformation to help Trump win the election.

    Surprisingly, the “liberal tears compilations” and “something about an email server people didn’t understand wasn’t actually illegal” actually worked and drowned out the warnings from our security agencies.

    I don’t think China will be any better of a world leader tbh.

    I see humanity’s future as a boot stepping on a human face forever, unless humanity globally rejects kings, oligarchs, and dictators.

    • Netux@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Don’t forget the genius DNC folk, including HRC thought a pied piper strategy of boosting the circus peanut was a good idea.

      If the Russians and Chinese did anything it was just capitalizing on an unforced error by the hubris of the centrist. One again, bernie would have won, but that was more distasteful to the ruling class than fascism.

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        1 day ago

        Oddly, the DNC’s position on the republican candidate in the circus that was the 2016 primary wasn’t likely all that influential or determinative.

        trump figured out that running a political campaign as entertainment and leveraging the power of, well, just lying about everything was possible in the modern media environment. republicans had been working for decades on tilling the ground for an authoritarian that they could manage, but got themselves owned instead. Oops.

    • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
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      It really started in 2016 when US security agencies released a joint report showing Russia was spreading misinformation to help Trump win the election.

      Compare russia to the British and consider who is the bigger villain.

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        18 hours ago

        Can we not bother deciding who was the biggest nightmare, and instead focus on finding models for the best countries.

        I am so sick of the “at least the USSR had…” or “at least China does…” conversation. Can’t we have a “Finland has high happiness, broad socialist protections, and a fast moving economy” kind of conversations.

        • AufusagandR@lemmynsfw.com
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          17 hours ago

          But that would be productive and worthwhile, to talk about actual policy or PISA findings or how to move forward to make the world a better place! Wouldn’t you rather bicker about old enmities in the context of nationalism?

        • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
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          15 hours ago

          The point is that foreigners influence elections all the time, all over the world.

          Americans meddle all the time, but are the only one that start crying when it’s done to them.

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            7 hours ago

            Americans have a history of the most insidious manipulations in the politics of other nations - did you see their Sec. of state try commemorate the CIA backed coup of Cuba.

            About “crying” over foreign interference, you are wrong. In the last 4 years France, Canada, Germany, Romania, Sri-Lanka, Australia, all of the Baltic nations andore have a had credible complaints of attempts from foreign nations trying to use propaganda and more to influence elections.

            Let’s not try to convince ourselves than only the Americans are misbehaving.

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      2 days ago

      You rely on professional fabrications of misinformation to tell you the truth about who is producing misinformation? Don’t fall for crude propaganda. When empires end they do some self-destructive things. It’s normal.