- Ukraine is getting the upper hand against Russian invasion with help from allies (including Biden Admin)
Trump Admin enters the chat:
- Calls Zelensky a dictator
- Says Ukraine “shouldn’t have started the war”
- Humiliates Zelensky before the world in Oval Office
- Lies about Europe sending less aid than the US towards Ukraine
- Profits by reinvesting a big percentage of the war aid in replenishing its own arsenal from donating nearly defunct weapons and replacing them with cutting edge gear, but claims it’s being taken advantage of
- Begins talks with Russia without Ukraine present
- Undermines Zelensky by attempting to manipulate his political opposition behind the scenes
- Says Ukraine better be “ready to lose some land”
- Implies they could shut off starlink support “if they wanted to”
- Cuts off aid packages and strategic intel, costing Ukraine their bargaining chip in Kursk
- Starts a trade war with the whole planet, applying tariffs on everyone except for Russia and its allies
- Attempts to extort Ukraine for 50% of its minerals in perpetuity, in exchange for nothing
- Signals Russia that the US is ready to cozy up to them and lift sanctions
- Bails on Ukraine after realizing “this is harder than it seemed”
Boy, what went wrong? They did everything right since they took office. /s /s /s
Some people are much more valuable staying the heck away on what they’re clearly unqualified for, than with this kind of “help”.
Unfortunately, I think the best we can hope for is Trump just walking away. But knowing him, he’ll want to drop sanctions on Russia.
So, I agree with most of this, but under Biden the US donated and supported far more than Europe. It’s a joke to put Europe ahead of that.
No it didn’t. Europe ponied up mostly cash to keep the country running while the US donated arms and intelligence because they had more of it but total value Europe was ahead.
Yeah, it’s not all about money. But okay. Let’s erase history, just like Trump and the conservatives like to do.
Edit: An interesting graph you may want to check out. US intelligence sharing aside, is this really the hill you want to die on?
Which country are you all from? One in the EU? Other?
Props to Denmark, though… Respect.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62002218
Source 2: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/
You know that when you separate EU from countries like Germany etc, that you no longer represent a total of europe. Since now a lot of Europe is under “other countries”.
USA is a large country, the size of china and Europe.
What you should go with, would be help per capita.
Europe has a higher population. While USA is a bit lower on that stuff.
But then again we could counter that with help compared to GDP. Then we’d be winning again.
Anyways. This is a literal war. What the fuck we even doing
I find it hilarious that you show graphs that entirely support my point as sone kind of gotcha. The other poster put it well. Europe as a whole has given more.
The EU as an institution gave cash and the US has given more arms total. That EU cash comes from the member nations so there are two levels of contribution for each EU country which you can see from the German arms deliveries that are not counted under the EU contribution but it’s still partly German money being sent when an EU contribution happens. It’s conceptually similar to a US state sending separate funding or arms beyond the federal contribution.
The pie chart you show has exactly the same percentage for the US as mine (42.7%) so it’s just a different representation of the same data. That “other” section on your chart (23.1%) includes contributions from 26 other EU countries beyond their EU money which, when coupled together will conveniently bring it to the total in the graph I posted showing Europe (including non-EU like the UK and Norway) as a whole contributing more, as it should.
I also laughed. All they proved is they can’t read.
Dude, put away the dick measuring tape. First of all, you went from comparing the US vs Europe as a whole to each individual country in Europe. The Post and percentages quoted before used Europe collectively in putting them ahead of US in total aid, which is accurate. You are now wanting to compare dollars of each European country against the US. That is obviously different.
Second, if we are going to do that, you have to provide some context here. Yes, the US put up more actual dollars than any other individual country by a lot. But, the US is far wealthier than all of these other countries too. If you compare their contributions compared to their GDPs, though, the US is a lot less giving. It is not even in the top 5 of the countries listed in your graph. They are 8th out of 10, in fact, beating only France and Canada. Denmark in particular really stepped up and gave a considerable chunk of their GDP to Ukraine, 7.5 times as much as the US.
Here are those actual numbers for reference:
- Denmark | GDP 415 Billion | AID 8.1 Billion | 1.952%
- Sweden | GDP 610 Billion | AID 5 Billion | 0.820%
- Finland | GDP 309 Billion | AID 2.5 Billion | 0.809%
- Netherlands | GDP 1.2 Trillion | AID 6.3 Billion | 0.525%
- Poland | GDP 845 Billion | AID 3.9 Billion | 0.462%
- UK | GDP 2.6 Trillion | AID 10.8 Billion | 0.415%
- Germany | GDP 4.3 Trillion | AID 13.6 Billion | 0.316%
- US | GDP 29.2 Trillion | AID 69 Billion | 0.236%
- Canada | GDP 2.3 Trillion | AID 2.8 Billion | 0.122%
- France | GDP 3.2 Trillion | AID 3.8 Billion | 0.119%
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