“This is the new model, where you work in these plants for the rest of your life, and your kids work here, and your grandkids work here,” U.S. Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick says.
90% of your comment boils down to “there were better material conditions in a 200-year-old industrial power that leveraged its political, economic and military power to exploit billions of people from the global south and extract their wealth, than in a 50-years-ago-industrialised self-sufficient country without exploitation of the global south”.
Yes, it is hard to buy certain things when your economy doesn’t rely on exploiting 5 south american / African / southeast Asian workers for every person in your country. What do you prefer for the world as a whole? Do you not understand, or do you not care about the billions exploited outside the US in this equation?
Why are you arguing about USSR not knowing anything of it?
90% of your comment boils down
No, it doesn’t, that’s what I’m trying to explain you, these things were not because of some economic power disadvantage or even connected to it. It’s not about economic power.
You really don’t understand that the same goods would be available aplenty where they were produced or imported. It was because of Soviet logistics and planning not being functional, do you understand that? What private businesses do in your country, only the state could legally do in USSR, a private citizen trying to do that would be put into fucking jail if caught. And the state couldn’t manage the complexity of planning. The state also didn’t have good feedback for planning due to corruption, gaming metrics, all the things that happen when people providing feedback are the same whose performance is being measured. You don’t have to trust me on that, there are lectures and interviews by people who worked in Gosplan, one can find them in the Internet.
An example - red caviar was rare luxury in most of USSR, but in the areas where it was produced nobody would be able to eat it anymore, so fucking full of it they were. Same with kinds of Soviet beer that nobody far from the brewery’s location remembers actually seeing sold. That example can be repeated for almost any kind of goods.
And about exploitation of global south - LOL, yeah, USSR exploited itself. The thin layer of party official families and foreign communists (Soviet elite had that inferiority complex, so any foreigner in USSR enjoyed special conditions) and komsomol leaders was similar to European settlers in some African country, the rest were like aboriginal population.
these things were not because of some economic power disadvantage or even connected to it
Ok, the conversation is over then, you’re just denying political and economical concepts such as colonialism or industrial development. Can’t have a serious conversation with someone who denies reality.
The Soviet Union lifted 300 million people from feudal poverty and a life expectancy of 30 years, to the second most powerful industrial power on earth, without exploiting the global south in the process. It had GDP growth rates of 10% for decades, and even when growth slowed down the material conditions of people kept improving at a faster pace than the material growth of the country.
Please try to educate yourself on imperialism and colonialism if you give the slightest shit about the billions of exploited of the world.
90% of your comment boils down to “there were better material conditions in a 200-year-old industrial power that leveraged its political, economic and military power to exploit billions of people from the global south and extract their wealth, than in a 50-years-ago-industrialised self-sufficient country without exploitation of the global south”.
Yes, it is hard to buy certain things when your economy doesn’t rely on exploiting 5 south american / African / southeast Asian workers for every person in your country. What do you prefer for the world as a whole? Do you not understand, or do you not care about the billions exploited outside the US in this equation?
Why are you arguing about USSR not knowing anything of it?
No, it doesn’t, that’s what I’m trying to explain you, these things were not because of some economic power disadvantage or even connected to it. It’s not about economic power.
You really don’t understand that the same goods would be available aplenty where they were produced or imported. It was because of Soviet logistics and planning not being functional, do you understand that? What private businesses do in your country, only the state could legally do in USSR, a private citizen trying to do that would be put into fucking jail if caught. And the state couldn’t manage the complexity of planning. The state also didn’t have good feedback for planning due to corruption, gaming metrics, all the things that happen when people providing feedback are the same whose performance is being measured. You don’t have to trust me on that, there are lectures and interviews by people who worked in Gosplan, one can find them in the Internet.
An example - red caviar was rare luxury in most of USSR, but in the areas where it was produced nobody would be able to eat it anymore, so fucking full of it they were. Same with kinds of Soviet beer that nobody far from the brewery’s location remembers actually seeing sold. That example can be repeated for almost any kind of goods.
And about exploitation of global south - LOL, yeah, USSR exploited itself. The thin layer of party official families and foreign communists (Soviet elite had that inferiority complex, so any foreigner in USSR enjoyed special conditions) and komsomol leaders was similar to European settlers in some African country, the rest were like aboriginal population.
Ok, the conversation is over then, you’re just denying political and economical concepts such as colonialism or industrial development. Can’t have a serious conversation with someone who denies reality.
The Soviet Union lifted 300 million people from feudal poverty and a life expectancy of 30 years, to the second most powerful industrial power on earth, without exploiting the global south in the process. It had GDP growth rates of 10% for decades, and even when growth slowed down the material conditions of people kept improving at a faster pace than the material growth of the country.
Please try to educate yourself on imperialism and colonialism if you give the slightest shit about the billions of exploited of the world.
Your reading comprehension skill means you can’t have a serious conversation period.
I won’t try a third time.