One of the most aggravating things to me in this world has to be the absolutely rampant anti-intellectualism that dominates so many conversations and debates, and its influence just seems to be expanding. Do you think there will ever actually be a time when this ends? I'd hope so once people become more educated and cultural changes eventually happen, but as of now it honestly infuriates me like few things ever have.

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    The lack of knowledge (especially true knowledge) and lesser ability to understand complex ideas are major aspects of that perspective.

    Can you prove this?

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      The mark of an intellectual! Making bold statements without evidence then suppressing any discussion of that lack of evidence.

      Gee I wonder why anti-intellectualism exists?

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        It couldn’t possibly be because of dumbshits like you who enable them, thinking that by allowing them to dominate the conversation every single time it is brought up that you’ll convince them to see the light or anything.

        It couldn’t possibly be people like you pushing popular misconceptions about the debate and blindly accepting every dumb personal attack they make on the rest of us as true without critically thinking about any of it or applying any of your intelligence or anything.

        Nah. The problem is other people who call them out and hold them accountable. Totally everyone else.

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          Yeah you basically claimed that anti-intellectualism is based on stupidity. Do you have any evidence of that?

          The answer is obviously no, or you’d be producing it

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            1. Anti-intellectualism is stupidity. All stupidity is is just willful ignorance. That’s what the word means colloquially and we’re using the colloquial meaning of the term.

            2. Grow the fuck up and stop defending stupid people. You are literally harming our country by legitimizing them and anti-intellectualism as a whole. That kind of thinking has no place in any modern society and neither do you if you think that’s the direction we should allow it to be dragged in.

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              That kind of thinking has no place in any modern society and neither do you

              Psssssst saying stuff like that doesn’t make you sound very smart

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                I don’t give a fuck how I sound. Personally attacking me doesn’t work. All you anti-intellectualist dipshits have to bring to the table are dumb personal attacks, red herrings, and temper tantrums whenever you’re told you need to know basic facts, and understand things you clearly don’t, and the rest of us are sick of it.

                Be a fucking adult for once in your lives.

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                  I don’t give a fuck how I sound

                  Well you had me fooled, given that you seem to think what you’re saying is so important

                  Be a fucking adult

                  I wanna dig into this, please elaborate on your adult ideal

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                    Oh look at that, no substantive argument defending openly rejecting learning, just more viciousness and vitriol because that’s all ignorant motherfuckers like you know how to do when confronted with your own flaws. Knock me over with a feather.

                    I’m angry and butthurt because you called me out on my vapidity and now I am attacking you for it

                    Die mad. You’re doing wrong being willfully ignorant and you’re doubly wrong for defending something so harmful and dangerous. You’re not going to bully me into shutting up simply because you don’t want to hear the truth.

                    You have to know basic shit and most importantly, want to learn to be a meaningful participant in a fucking democracy. We’re trying to run a society here. We have no time for your ignorance. You’ve caused enough suffering and destruction as it is.

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                  All you anti-intellectual dipshits have to bring to the table are dumb personal attacks …

                  Wow I didn’t even need to quote two sentences of yours to expose your hypocrisy. You managed to do it in the span of ten words.

                  But just to drive the point home, this was you a couple comments ago:

                  Grow the fuck up and stop defending stupid people. You are literally harming our country by legitimizing them and anti-intellectualism as a whole. That kind of thinking has no place in any modern society and neither do you

                  Like, you’re spewing vitriol. Do you really not see that?

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                    Wow I didn’t even need to quote two sentences of yours to expose your hypocrisy. You managed to do it in the span of ten words.

                    I’m not defending anyone.

                    You showed yours in four.

                    You showed yours the second you opened your mouth defending dumbasses in here while completely ignoring their own brand of vitriol, and offering up your own as a consequence.

                    You show yours when you couldn’t be assed to look at my post history for five minutes like a decent concern troll. 🤦

                    You’re literally doing it right now, looking for a cheap gotcha moment, and when you read this and find out it didn’t work because I am openly an asshole, you’re going to whine and complain, and I’m gonna sit here and shake my head right along with OP.

                    You are on the wrong side of history and you are actively helping to destroy not only the U.S. but the rest of the developed world with your garbage and you give not one single fuck as long as you can use stupid people – and I emphasize stupid people – to virtue signal.

                    Grow up.

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              Anti-intellectualism is stupidity

              No. You have your definitions arranged sloppily. Stupidity is stupidity.

              Grow the fuck up and stop defending stupid people.

              I’m not defending anyone. Like at all. You being unable to see that is another indicator of how sloppy and undisciplined your mind is.

              Colloquially, anti-intellectualism is the stance that intellectualism is bad. Intellectualism is not the same as intelligence. Intellectualism is a specific relationship with the mind and knowledge. Specifically it’s the belief that articulated argument and logic is the best way to approach knowledge. Anti-intellectualism is the stance that there are other ways far more valuable to develop knowledge.

              For a bunch of self-proclaimed “intellectuals” you guys have no idea what you’re talking about.

              Like being an intellectual and in favor of intellectualism is one thing. It’s another thing entirely to declare yourself an intellectual without actually being one.

              In my experience, skilled intellectuals don’t call themselves that, and people who call themselves intellectuals are primarily interested in being seen as special.

              Just to educate you a little on what the landscape is here, alternatives to intellectual consideration of reality include:

              • intuition
              • phenomenology
              • practice
              • empiricism
              • idiocy

              You’ve latched onto one of those, because apparently you don’t read enough to have any awareness whatsoever of the context of this conversation. Which is ahem rather anti-intellectual of you.