Details are murky and no final agreement has been reached, but the plan is under serious enough consideration that the administration has discussed it with Libyan leadership.

In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

    • krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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      2 months ago

      It just wasn’t an important issue when they looked at the polling data. The average American cares more about a lot of other stuff over ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

      The incumbent administration looked weak in so many ways, that taking a stance against Israel would not have made a difference. Politically, it was just a wedge issue on the left. They needed to win the voters that moved from Biden to Trump, and the DNC was (and probably still is) entirely incapable of taking any big swings.

      They lost because they actually expected to. Neither party actually gives a shit about democracy; power is just a mantle they pass back and forth. They are in a “you win this time” holding pattern waiting for the Republicans to fuck things up so badly that they can come back and win in '26 and '28.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        73·
        2 months ago

        It just wasn’t an important issue when they looked at the polling data. The average American cares more about a lot of other stuff over ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

        I doubt any claim regarding what polling data unavailable to the public says. The biden administration played arms dealer for a genocide (not the mealy-mouthed euphemism “ethnic cleansing”). Why would lying about a few polls be a bridge too far?

        They considered genocide opponents too insignificant to listen to. Everyone who is blaming the anti-genocide left now needs to remember that they were so devoted to netanyahu that they didn’t want to listen to people whose votes they were happy to discard in their zeal to wipe out Palestinians.

        • krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          21·
          2 months ago

          I think the ghoulish cartoon you paint of Democrats foaming at the mouth at the ongoing genocide in Gaza is inaccurate. Let me be clear, there is genocide happening as part of ethnic cleansing for the entire promised land of Israel. I expect Israel to attempt to expand into Syria next, all the way up the coast to Turkey.

          And yeah, USA will sell arms to whomever has the money to buy them, no matter who controls what branch of government.

          Ok I am making assumptions about internal polling done by the DNC or the Harris campaign, but Pew and Gallup published poll data before the election.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            I think the ghoulish cartoon you paint of Democrats foaming at the mouth at the ongoing genocide in Gaza is inaccurate.

            Over the past decades, I’ve seen democrats capitulate over and over about so much. They remained steadfast on genocide.

            I heard time and time again how they just didn’t have the power to do the stuff they ran on, how procedural bullshit was absolute and how nothing could get around it. Then they ignored the Leahy law for more than a year.

            • krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              2·
              2 months ago

              It’s the cynicism that is bred by and fuels the political furnace. Cynicism can be understood and respected by your opposition.

              Those decades have been spent working to keep progressive and leftist voices out of their party, especially ones that threaten their scaffolding of seniority and stability. They have actively prevented the DNC from what the right pulled off with the Tea Party Movement by tightening the reigns on primaries, disenfranchising and ignoring grassroots movements showing good faith, selling out to corporate lobbies, keeping fresh ideas out of policy by manipulating committee appointments, and so much more.

              And are they sorry at all when their machinations play into the hands of fascists? No, they actually seem fucking proud of it.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                So why is genocide the exception? Why is that the only thing where nothing stands in their way? Why is it the only issue they don’t immediately abandon when they get pushback?

                • krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  I don’t think it’s as unilateral across the party, but the leadership certainly have let Israel and AIPAC too far up their ass. For politics it’s all just money imo.

                  Also, a lot of people do not care, especially older folks who remember Israel being scrappy in the 60s, or just care about how to pay for their health care or mortgage. Gaza and West Bank genocide is really important to the internet, but a lot of people in their 40s and up are not online much.

                  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    2·
                    2 months ago

                    I’m long past done giving the quisling party the benefit of the doubt. They have spent the past few decades failing everyone but netanyahu.

    • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
      94·
      2 months ago

      If genocide is all “centrists” care about then they would be fucking ecstatic over Trump’s policy not mad.