Details are murky and no final agreement has been reached, but the plan is under serious enough consideration that the administration has discussed it with Libyan leadership.

In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

  • krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    2120·
    22 days ago

    There’s absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.

    Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.

    When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.

    Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That’s the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of “not being Trump”.

    • Dadd Volante@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      329·
      22 days ago

      Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.

      I will blame people for a moral failing all I want. Y’all decided to latch on to ONE issue and didn’t give a shit who was harmed because of it, because suddenly, after over half a century of genocide, NOW you gave a shit

      You did what the algorithm wanted you to do, and you don’t care who got hurt or is currently in El Salvador, because hey, at least your shit don’t stink

      My trans son says “fuck you”.

      You are a wannabe. You don’t give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you’d do everything you could to save lives.

      But instead you decided it was morally superior to let Trump in.

      You’re all bastards who have put my loved ones in danger.

        • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
          75·
          21 days ago

          No. She said her policies didn’t differ from biden’s. biden did nothing to pressure netanyahu to stop the genocide.

          Crab, we’ve been over this before, EVERY MONTH from becoming the candidate to the election Harris was advocating for an immediate cease fire, the release of hostages, and a two-state solution. Over, and over again.

          Polar opposite of Trumps “sweep them out and take over.”

          July: https://www.the-independent.com/tv/news/kamala-harris-says-two-state-solution-is-the-only-path-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-b2586161.html

          August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html

          September: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial

          October: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/harris-dodges-direct-question-on-palestinian-deaths-calls-for-2-state-solution-during-cnn-town-hall/3372480

          Could she PERSONALLY negotiate it as VP? No, the VP has no real power unless the Senate is stuck on a 50/50 vote.

          Could she PERSONALLY negotiate it as a candidate for President? No, US civilians are blocked from engaging in diplomatic action.

          So a) not a function of her job, b) not a function of her candidacy.

          ALL she could do was talk about what she would do if elected 1) Immediate cease fire, 2) Hostage release, 3) Two-State solution. July, August, September, October.

          The “BUH BUH GENOCIDE!!!” crowd completely ignored what she was saying because they didn’t want to hear it, they are so crawled up inside their own assholes they can’t hear anything.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            82·
            21 days ago

            biden falsely claimed to want an immediate ceasefire, hostage release, and a two state solution.

            He also said he wanted to raise the minimum wage, pass all the stuff in BBB, revisit the public option, and reschedule cannabis. All were lies.

            It became clear that his support for a ceasefire and a two state solution were always lies as well.

            harris was one of the people closest to biden. She had to have witnessed his decline and had a responsibility to say something. She lied instead.

            She also said that her policies were no different from biden’s.

            She could have shown some daylight between herself and biden on the issue, but there wasn’t any. She ran as a continuation of biden because she was.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
              16·
              21 days ago

              Harris is not Biden. Again, read her statements, month after month, after month. July, August, September, October.

              She was far more likely to treat Netanyahu as the dishonest broker that he is. Biden was blinded by the history of Israel, Harris did not have that same handicap.

              HER handicap was not being able to publicly diverge from Biden policy, she should have, but couldn’t afford to alienate the Biden machine.

              https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/

              • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                61·
                21 days ago

                She was far more likely to treat Netanyahu as the dishonest broker that he is.

                So she publicly stated that Israel should stop, would fight to stop it more than Biden, and was pro-Palestine.

                Right?

                  • Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish
                    31·
                    21 days ago

                    She said she wanted a two state solution.

                    She did fuck all to work towards it. The “two state solution” is a trope to enable Israel and has been long since before the genocide. It is not unique to the US. We hear it in Germany all the time followed by crickets when asked what the government wants to do, to actually move towards it. Fact is Harris denied an advocacy group for Palestinian rights to even speak at the DNC event, while Zionist lobby groups were welcomed to speak. It shows that the “two state solution” of Harris means to not even let Palestinians or people advocating for their rights speak, while amplifying Israeli propaganda.

                    Anyone who is serious about a two state solution would amplify Palestinian voices and provide the means to establish a Palestinian state while gutting Israels abilities to sabotage that, first of all by cutting all military and financial aid and enacting an arms and dual use embargo.

                    Harris has been lying the same lies like the US and other western countries governments have been lying for decades now. It is as obvious as the guys with the clowns mask and duffel bags entering a jewelry store not going to be there to make balloon animals.

                  • GoodWaterBottle@lemmus.orgEnglish
                    21·
                    21 days ago

                    It doesn’t matter what she SAY she want if she commited to sending bombs to one party.

                    Look mate I know it must be hard for you to realize you don’t have a voice in this but maybe you should direct your outrage at the people in charge instead of policing what can be said about your favorite genociding party.

                • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  52·
                  21 days ago

                  “No no trust us, I’m against Israel’s genocide, I’m just not gonna use any influence to stop it, I’m not going to make it part of my campaign, I’m going to tell people protesting the genocide to shut up and that I’m speaking. I am clearly anti-genocide, just let me keep with Biden’s pro-genocide polices.”

                • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
                  24·
                  21 days ago

                  Whether you “believe” it or not is irrelevant. It was her position as stated publicly multiple times. That problem is yours, not hers.

                  In the end though, the desire to “save” Gaza will result in the extermination of Gaza because you simply wouldn’t listen. Good jorb!

                  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    4·
                    21 days ago

                    Whether you “believe” it or not is irrelevant. It was her position as stated publicly multiple times. That problem is yours, not hers.

                    biden said the exact same shit while shoveling weapons at netanyahu. there was no daylight between biden and harris on this issue.

                    In the end though, the desire to “save” Gaza will result in the extermination of Gaza because you simply wouldn’t listen.

                    democrats wouldn’t listen to the people who didn’t want genocide. we were too insignificant to listen to.

                    So we’re too insignificant to blame. But blaming anyone else might require the party to abandon the only policy it has actually stood for in the past 40 years.

                  • GoodWaterBottle@lemmus.orgEnglish
                    31·
                    21 days ago

                    If the dems had not known they could count on their base for being cowards, they might have considered the electoral implication of bombing civilians.

                    For what it worth i don’t even think you’re an asshole. You have been propagandized. Deprogram yourself man idk

        • Dadd Volante@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          53·
          21 days ago

          Voting doesn’t mean I support genocide.

          I guess I support school shootings too? Guess I suppose privatized healthcare as well.

          You’re fuckin reaching.

          I would be too if I assisted Trump regaining power