If porn does any damage to the psyche, surely it’s less than videos you can find showing torture and murder, right? At least in porn, people are shown having a good time. I’ll also note that no porn is burned into my brain, but there are sure some other videos that are.
(Just light headed talk here) because I was born before internet, I remember the first porn magazine I saw (at 11, I think), the first porn magazine I bought (at 14, because fuck the rules) and the first porn film I watched (at 13 because my father had a video store). Those are definitely burned in my brain.
I can’t deny that there are both awful violent videos and excellent porn burned into my brain. (Shouting out you, Scarlet Chase, Alexis Texas, and Anna Claire Clouds)
While consuming porn your body is producing the feelgood hormones, like dopamine, just like every other drug, including social media. Do it often enough and your brain gets used to it, and can’t do without.
And it’s just as harmful. Have a look at “Your brain on porn” which is a book about problematic porn consumption, but can be expanded to every other dopamine creating vice out there.
This is Wikipedia on the guy who started the site:
Wilson argued, counter to relevant experts in the subject, that porn addiction is a public health issue,[11] and said it led to negative effects such as depression and erectile dysfunction.[13] According to Jason Winters, a lecturer on human sexuality in the department of psychology at the University of British Columbia “There is no research showing that Internet pornography causes mental disorders — none”.[14]
His vita is partly problematic, but he clearly states that this claim goes against the research currently available. One of the reasons is that it would be hard to justify necessary studies morally. Another one is that porn is a giant industry with many “independant” contractors who want to justify themselves. Also, the hyper availability of porn as we know it today over the internet is a pretty young phenomenon. As a comparison, there was a time not too long ago when smoking was advised by doctors.
Anyways, it’s always funny to see the cognitive dissonance of people when it comes to negative effects of instant gratification like with drugs, social media, overeating or any other thing that can seriously fuck with your mind when done wrong or too early in life, but porn always somehow gets trivialized out of that exact discussion. Maybe it’s because it affects us all, just like covid, and that did not foster a healthy culture of discussion as well iirc. It also kind of reminds me of stoners trying to tell you that weed is not addictive.
There are enough issues in our modern society where this could, not alone by itself, and as we both stated just as a scientifically unproven claim for now, be part of the explanation. I’d say let’s wait until AI gets shoved into this equation as well for long enough to see what it does to the people lol.
I find it a bit curious. You’re choosing to believe one guy who scrolled Reddit a bit too long and whose Tedx talk to a large actually consists of reading aloud r/nofap comments over actual scientists who research this stuff with some rigor.
That’s not to say porn doesn’t have negative effects. But confidently basing theories on anecdotal evidence is not getting us much closer to truth, is it?
I always choose the side of science, but coming to false conclusions and questioning things later on has always been a part of that. Labelling scientific findings as ground truth in a world that changes so rapidly, especially in media and its consumption, seems a bit ignorant to me. Porn not being harmful is such a conclusion imho.
Also noporn does not equal nofap and people use those topics interchangeably on purpose it seems. Sadly that one guy I picked seems to be just a troubled soul with the right intention but wrong execution which is being used as an excuse for people to justify their own behaviour, which is comprehensible.
But then again, probably I myself am wrongfully shouting in the void here. I am not a bigot trying to convey people into thinking what they are doing every day is inherently bad for no reason, but a guy who thinks that this is an overlooked and trivialized topic. As with every controversial and emotional topic though, discussing this with a hivemind is difficult to impossible.
There’s people with addictive tendencies and such without / with less of them. That said, your generic statement is bullshit. Many people can enjoy porn frequently without any addiction symptoms.
If porn does any damage to the psyche, surely it’s less than videos you can find showing torture and murder, right? At least in porn, people are shown having a good time. I’ll also note that no porn is burned into my brain, but there are sure some other videos that are.
(Just light headed talk here) because I was born before internet, I remember the first porn magazine I saw (at 11, I think), the first porn magazine I bought (at 14, because fuck the rules) and the first porn film I watched (at 13 because my father had a video store). Those are definitely burned in my brain.
Yeah, I remember watching scrambled TV for hours waiting for the few brief seconds it came in clear.
It only happened twice but it is also seared into my brain.
I can’t deny that there are both awful violent videos and excellent porn burned into my brain. (Shouting out you, Scarlet Chase, Alexis Texas, and Anna Claire Clouds)
While consuming porn your body is producing the feelgood hormones, like dopamine, just like every other drug, including social media. Do it often enough and your brain gets used to it, and can’t do without.
And it’s just as harmful. Have a look at “Your brain on porn” which is a book about problematic porn consumption, but can be expanded to every other dopamine creating vice out there.
Wait, we aren’t supposed to have daily dopamine?
You are, but not as instant gratification, but as the result of work of some kind.
Does masturbation without porn count as “work”?
Handjobs show good work ethic
It does imho. You are somewhat forced to use your imagination and explore what you like, which will lead to a better experience.
So you can’t play board games? That’s not work of some kind.
You are purposely missing the point. Just research instant gratification.
This is Wikipedia on the guy who started the site:
His vita is partly problematic, but he clearly states that this claim goes against the research currently available. One of the reasons is that it would be hard to justify necessary studies morally. Another one is that porn is a giant industry with many “independant” contractors who want to justify themselves. Also, the hyper availability of porn as we know it today over the internet is a pretty young phenomenon. As a comparison, there was a time not too long ago when smoking was advised by doctors.
Anyways, it’s always funny to see the cognitive dissonance of people when it comes to negative effects of instant gratification like with drugs, social media, overeating or any other thing that can seriously fuck with your mind when done wrong or too early in life, but porn always somehow gets trivialized out of that exact discussion. Maybe it’s because it affects us all, just like covid, and that did not foster a healthy culture of discussion as well iirc. It also kind of reminds me of stoners trying to tell you that weed is not addictive.
There are enough issues in our modern society where this could, not alone by itself, and as we both stated just as a scientifically unproven claim for now, be part of the explanation. I’d say let’s wait until AI gets shoved into this equation as well for long enough to see what it does to the people lol.
I find it a bit curious. You’re choosing to believe one guy who scrolled Reddit a bit too long and whose Tedx talk to a large actually consists of reading aloud r/nofap comments over actual scientists who research this stuff with some rigor.
That’s not to say porn doesn’t have negative effects. But confidently basing theories on anecdotal evidence is not getting us much closer to truth, is it?
I always choose the side of science, but coming to false conclusions and questioning things later on has always been a part of that. Labelling scientific findings as ground truth in a world that changes so rapidly, especially in media and its consumption, seems a bit ignorant to me. Porn not being harmful is such a conclusion imho.
Also noporn does not equal nofap and people use those topics interchangeably on purpose it seems. Sadly that one guy I picked seems to be just a troubled soul with the right intention but wrong execution which is being used as an excuse for people to justify their own behaviour, which is comprehensible.
But then again, probably I myself am wrongfully shouting in the void here. I am not a bigot trying to convey people into thinking what they are doing every day is inherently bad for no reason, but a guy who thinks that this is an overlooked and trivialized topic. As with every controversial and emotional topic though, discussing this with a hivemind is difficult to impossible.
There’s people with addictive tendencies and such without / with less of them. That said, your generic statement is bullshit. Many people can enjoy porn frequently without any addiction symptoms.