• tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 days ago

    I am seriously tired of hearing this shit, what point does that matter now? Are you going to change the election? Move forward, we can’t do anything about how people voted now and it’s just alienating and irritating people.

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      2 days ago

      To remind people that their actions have consequences and that they need to take an active role in the democratic process if they want to preserve it.

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        2 days ago

        Yup, and the whole “she wasn’t a squeaky clean and perfect candidate for me so I couldn’t vote for her in good conscience” sounds like such a fucking dumb argument in the face of what we’ve seen the other guy has done/will do.

        And to the user you replied to: yes, it doesn’t do anything to change reality, but points like this should be noted so hopefully people learn. You vote so a piece of shit like Mango Mussolini doesn’t get to power and dismantle the U.S. government.

        P.S. I proudly voted for Kamala Harris

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          2 days ago

          The “both sides” argument is one of the fascists’ favorite ways to inspire voter apathy, maybe take a second to think about harm reduction instead of focusing only on your own moral superiority.

          Also, I’m not American, I have never voted in a US election.

    • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      2 days ago

      People needed to vote for the not fascist candidate in a choice between a not fascist candidate and a fascist candidate.

      It’s not hard. Learn the lesson or die to fascists. People will be too dead to be alienated.

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        2 days ago

        Okay. Got anything other than time travel as a solution? If not, I need you to get the fuck off the internet, go talk to some neighbors, and do a moral-action to save some neighbors lives.

        Is that moral action a crime? Depends on who you ask, which state you’re in, and how you choose to do it.

        I recommend dragging a full-sized cross in front of an immigrant’s door as ICE tries to raid. On camera. In Los Angeles. With bible verses burned into the wood about “love your neighbor” from KJV. Even if you have to make the cross yourself.

        Maybe you’ll get a good photo op for the movement, maybe you’ll psychologically break a gestapo or four.

        I’m sure you have other ideas.

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          2 days ago

          If we have another election vote in it. Vote for the Democrat candidates. Fill out the ballot with a pen. No larping fan fiction necessary.

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            no larping fanfiction necessary

            https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama

            I’d rather larp on the internet than enable fash to larp at court until they can drop the facade.

            This blood is on Democrats’ hands too, and I’m tired of your Team Sports mentality pretending otherwise.

            if we have another election

            And if we don’t? Or if its such a farce that its Russian-style ballot-stuffing?

            Tell me the plan. Lemme guess… Brunch?

            https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48128843

            And when these are the people your party will FIGHT to put on the ballot? I’m sorry, even when I do vote, I vote alone. I dont get to bring a group of almost non-voters into the line with me.

            Or your party could try to… Vote Blue No Matter Who in NYC. Back the party candidate. Offer support. Embrace a platform that starts to work.

            No? No real Democratic presidential primary since 2008, and we’re supposed to trust that name? Thanks Kim Jong Un.

            Then again, we wouldn’t be in this mess if Trump’s 6th Amendment Right to a swift trial were respected, so his name could have been taken off the ballots in time for a real election. Thanks Obama appointed judges!

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              What does any of this have to do with the Democrats being the correct choice in 2024 and being the correct choice in the next two elections if we have them?

              There are still people advocating for not voting after it is now clear that was the wrong choice.

              (Voted for her too, btw, I’m mad her rhetoric didn’t let me bring friends)

              If that’s not you then you shouldn’t have a problem with this.

              And if we don’t?

              Then voting wont be an option.

              We’ve had real primaries since 2008.

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                The fact is, Democrats refuse to learn from their mistakes. Y’all Liberals refuse to learn anything from your own voters. Ever.

                The fact is, your party is responsible for making Austerity politics (and mislabeling it as “abundance” with Ezra Klein) bipartisan for more than 30 years.

                This strategy is how we got Trump. I don’t blame Romney for Trump - I blame Clinton ratcheting to the Right.

                When Bernie can win States’ popular vote and lose it because of Party-appointed “super delegates” in 2016? That’s not fucking Democracy.

                When the entire party rallied behind Biden so thoroughly that half the country didn’t even get to vote in the Primary before Biden was the presumptive Nominee in 2020? That’s not Democracy, and Bernie was arguably a Coward for not calling you on it. But… Voting out the fascist was priority. And Biden promised to be a 1-term president.

                2024 - that 1-term promise? SIKE!!! Until his failing mental condition lagged out so hard that his VP took over, no voting allowed.

                Fuck you. Sincerely, and deeply. You deserve Trump as much as anyone in his Simp cult. Blue Maga gave us Red Maga.

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                  When Bernie can win States’ popular vote and lose it because of Party-appointed “super delegates” in 2016? That’s not fucking Democracy.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

                  Bernie lost the popular vote.

                  And Biden promised to be a 1-term president.

                  A promise he should have followed through on every step of the way.

                  Fuck you. Sincerely, and deeply.

                  The neoliberal you’re shadow boxing lives in your head. edit: typo

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                    Bernie lost the popular vote

                    And yet he was the most popular politician in the country at the time. Fascinating how we can ignore the political machine of Billionaire-owned Media Empires and their pocket-politicians.

                    The neoliberal you’re shadow boxing lives in your head.

                    If the Democrats want my vote from here on out? They have to EARN it. You’ve convinced me. This sense of entitlement to MY vote is entirely uncalled for, especially as their strategy includes funding the worst Republicans possible in the Primaries:

                    https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106256047/why-democrats-are-paying-for-ads-supporting-republican-primary-candidates

                    …and then crying when it backfires.

                    I shall now default to non-voting. I will only vote for people who offer actual material policy gains like Zohran Mamdani does, Democrat or otherwise.

                    Any Democrat who fails to do this? Will either win without me or fail without me. Either way, I lose nothing. You have convinced me.

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      You’re fight, people don’t like hearing about the consequences of their own actions. They like sitting comfortably, pretending they did what they could to stop it

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      “Look, I know that these people voted for you and yours to suffer, but you just need to get over that so that we can come together and be a happy family again. You not getting over that one little tiny bump in our past just alienates everyone that wanted to see your life destroyed. It was a tiny blip from our past. Just get over it already.” ~You…for the most part.