These aggressive methods are not working. We need to provide better mental Healthcare for all people. These aggressive methods will lead to more child victims, not less. It’s unacceptable that people are putting their own disgust over the wellbeing of children.
I want to remind you once again, that you are defending actual child abusers. Not just people who have some fucked up desires and not act on them, but actual childfuckers. You are saying that people who already fucked kids should be shielded from law by religion because some other people also want to fuck kids but don’t do that.
You’re missing the point. I’m not defending them. Their actions are abhorrent andtheir victims deserve justice. I’m suggesting if we act aggressively towards these self reporters, you will actually INCREASE the number of molested children by disuading future self reporting from others.
I’m trying to decrease the number of victims. I don’t know how to give the victims justice, but decreasing future victims is paramount.
And you’re missing the point of what we’re talking about. Right now, the law allows active child molesters to execute well known religious loophole, where they “confess” their crimes to an unaccounted guy from religious organisation, and this act makes the crime nonexistent according to their proposed worldview. What it actually does, is that it clears the guilt from the perpetrator, allowing him to continue his acts. Knowing history of Catholic church, if it does anything is that it allows child molesters to exchange experiences and tips for future crimes.
Removing all oversight from this process increases the amount of crime going on, and that’s what you’re advocating for.
The point of letting people who didn’t act on their urges to get psychological help they need to continue not act on it, is obviously correct opinion you have. It’s just it doesn’t apply here.
We might have to agree to disagree. Happily we agree that the kids are the most important thing here. I think if we had a solid counseling setup for people this would be an obvious thing, and you are correct that it should be a mandatory reporting. Until we do, I’m seeing this more as a free version of mental Healthcare which I don’t think should be impeded.
How much mental health care would have fixed Epstein?
Also, mandating that religious orgs report it is not the same as punishing people for uncontrolled urges. Once the person is reported, they can get help. If it’s not reported, they then will keep abusing children until the are caught by someone else.
Freedom of religion is not freedom to protect pedophiles.
That’s a good point. I would be in favor of this if it was a gateway to better therapy and not as a way to punish them. Self reporting should not be punished. Definitely agree that priests should not be the ones doing all the counseling. Just making the point that they currently don’t have any options and this might be currently helping.
Gateway to punish abuse that had already happened.
You keep completely ignoring the fact that this law was not about reporting urges, it was about reporting abuse. You are defending predators who have already abused a victim. Which is disgusting.
Yeah it’s not a great thing. It’s kind of like letting a local drug dealer off Scott free because he helped take down a drug ring. It’s protecting a larger number of children at the expense of not punishing the guy who self reported and tried to get help. Doesn’t feel great but should protect more children overall.
These aggressive methods are not working. We need to provide better mental Healthcare for all people. These aggressive methods will lead to more child victims, not less. It’s unacceptable that people are putting their own disgust over the wellbeing of children.
I want to remind you once again, that you are defending actual child abusers. Not just people who have some fucked up desires and not act on them, but actual childfuckers. You are saying that people who already fucked kids should be shielded from law by religion because some other people also want to fuck kids but don’t do that.
You’re missing the point. I’m not defending them. Their actions are abhorrent andtheir victims deserve justice. I’m suggesting if we act aggressively towards these self reporters, you will actually INCREASE the number of molested children by disuading future self reporting from others.
I’m trying to decrease the number of victims. I don’t know how to give the victims justice, but decreasing future victims is paramount.
And you’re missing the point of what we’re talking about. Right now, the law allows active child molesters to execute well known religious loophole, where they “confess” their crimes to an unaccounted guy from religious organisation, and this act makes the crime nonexistent according to their proposed worldview. What it actually does, is that it clears the guilt from the perpetrator, allowing him to continue his acts. Knowing history of Catholic church, if it does anything is that it allows child molesters to exchange experiences and tips for future crimes.
Removing all oversight from this process increases the amount of crime going on, and that’s what you’re advocating for.
The point of letting people who didn’t act on their urges to get psychological help they need to continue not act on it, is obviously correct opinion you have. It’s just it doesn’t apply here.
We might have to agree to disagree. Happily we agree that the kids are the most important thing here. I think if we had a solid counseling setup for people this would be an obvious thing, and you are correct that it should be a mandatory reporting. Until we do, I’m seeing this more as a free version of mental Healthcare which I don’t think should be impeded.
Yes, we need better.
There’s better places to begin fixing mental health infrastructure than nixing mandatory abuse reporting
How much mental health care would have fixed Epstein?
Also, mandating that religious orgs report it is not the same as punishing people for uncontrolled urges. Once the person is reported, they can get help. If it’s not reported, they then will keep abusing children until the are caught by someone else.
Freedom of religion is not freedom to protect pedophiles.
That’s a good point. I would be in favor of this if it was a gateway to better therapy and not as a way to punish them. Self reporting should not be punished. Definitely agree that priests should not be the ones doing all the counseling. Just making the point that they currently don’t have any options and this might be currently helping.
Gateway to punish abuse that had already happened.
You keep completely ignoring the fact that this law was not about reporting urges, it was about reporting abuse. You are defending predators who have already abused a victim. Which is disgusting.
Yeah it’s not a great thing. It’s kind of like letting a local drug dealer off Scott free because he helped take down a drug ring. It’s protecting a larger number of children at the expense of not punishing the guy who self reported and tried to get help. Doesn’t feel great but should protect more children overall.
It’s not. What. The. Law. Is. About.