• NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
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    Imagine being ticketed for walking the wrong way down a sidewalk or crossing the street. At intersections pedestrians generally have the right of way unless it’s signalized (or a car is already inside the intersection).

    Cyclist are pedestrians.

    These kind of stories almost read as “car is king” and all other modes of travel (walking, running, cycling) are required to conform around the car. Next thing you know grandma will get a ticket for riding her mobility scooter the wrong way down a sidewalk.

    The main issue is improper Infrastructure. Streets are destinations and Roads are throughways. Street are multi-use and should be designed as such.

    This is a street. It’s a destination where local pedestrians have the right of way.

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    This is a “strode” its a neither a street or a road. Car rule and use these as throughways.

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    This is a road. It’s a proper throughway with no street parking or driveways. Reduced conflict zones such as no intersections or left turn.

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    Also obligatory:

    Emotos, ie. “Self powered” high speed electric motorcycles should be treated similar to regular motorcycles or cars.

    Ebikes ie. “Pedal assist” or “human-powered” bicycles are low speed and similar in nature to regular bicycles or in some cases “mobility devices” like grandmas mobility scooter.

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      9 hours ago

      Down voted for this:

      Cyclist are pedestrians.

      But want to say thanks for the explanations. Regardless of whether I agree with your opinions.

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      19 hours ago

      not even close, people are pedestrians, ive encountered more often than not that bicycles ignore pedestratians when they are crossing the streets, or if they are behind a person, sorry but they act like they are in cars themselves.

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      Cyclist are pedestrians.

      Unless you mean this in some very unconventional way — absolutely not. Bicycles are vehicles.

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        When was the last time you road a bicycle on a busy roadway ? Bikes are not vehicles.

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            17 hours ago

            I suppose most of us seem to agree on the following:

            Bikes are vehicles, and Cars are vehicles.

            But we seem to be divided on, are bikes cars.

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          Uh… yesterday?

          Bikes absolutely are vehicles.

          Cars are dangerous weapons

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          I think the question has become, are bikes cars?

          From the definition of a vehicle it’s something that is used to transport people or goods, and a vehicle can be “self power” or “human powered”.

          By definition rollerblades are vehicles.

          Now I think the question becomes (for people that see bikes as cars)

          Are people on bikes allowed to use the full lane of a roadway, just as any vehicle that is classified as a car would?

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        I would agree any item that is used to transport goods or people in any way is considered a vehicle, but i would add the term “vehicle” is somewhat loose in meaning or interpretation.

        There are two distinct classes of vehicles though. Self-powered and Human-powered.

        Self-powered vehicles. Example, an aircraft, car, tank, truck, motorcycle, scooter.

        Human-powered vehicles. Example, a bicycle, unicycle, balance bicycles, scooter, dandy horse, handcar, draisine, shoping cart, and maybe even shoes?

        Now the reason I believe classifying cyclists as pedestrians, is because it would require a “shift” in how infrastructure is designed within our towns and cities.

        The city “strode” is a unsafe place for a pedestrian or people in general to be (as it’s currently designed). Classifying a cyclist as a pedestrian would highlight the need that the equivalent of “sidewalk infrastructure” is required for the well-being of people on a bicycle.

        Now imagine yourself walking (in your shoes) on a city “strode” in the middle of a lane, it feels “wrong”. So why do we force all ages of people on a bicycle to do this?

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          I saw this same story from another source in a different post (https://archive.is/sZYDO).

          There’s one specific paragraph in that article that is not covered in this one:

          New York City has begun a crackdown on e-bikes and scooters riders. It follows actions by city officials from Paris to Honolulu to Hoboken, N.J., who are responding to residents angry about zippy vehicles with silent electric motors zooming down sidewalks and streets, often startling people, and occasionally hitting pedestrians.

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          Now the reason I believe classifying cyclists as pedestrians, is because it would require a “shift” in how infrastructure is designed within our towns and cities.

          Nah, classifying bicycles as pedestrians would be the worst of all worlds and result in the elimination of all considerations for bicycles just like we’ve been working on for pedestrians over the past hundred years.