What’s with all the stupid comments here?
She is obviously unhealthily thin, and of course she is allowed to be thin.
What is not allowed, and shouldn’t be anywhere, is to idealize such extreme unhealthy standards in advertisements, and particularly not as a “fashion statement”.
Edit PS:
The reason it is banned in some places, and should be banned, is that it sets an unhealthy standard, and causes eating disorders among especially teenager girls. It’s basically for the same reason that advertising tobacco is illegal in most places.
You have to compare this to being obese, not simply being fat, that girl is not simply slim, she is extremely thin bordering on anorexic.
So no, and the reason it is banned in some places and should be in all, is that it causes eating disorders especially among teenage girls that try to become unhealthily thin to live up to an impossible fashion ideal.
There is no similar fashion ideal for being obese. But if hypothetically there was, and it caused a similar effect, it should also hypothetically be illegal to use obese models.
I’m that thin too. Do you know how fucking tired I am of hearing about how I’m “bordering on anorexic”? Shut the fuck up, I probably eat more than you. You’re right, there are a lot of stupid comments in here, as you put it. But they all sound like you. Reread your comments with the new understanding that there are thin people reading them too.
This is just a bunch of fat people collectively saying ‘ew you should eat more’ and it’s gross.
This assumption that young women are so silly and impressionable that they can’t be allowed to see thin women modelling clothes because they might be inspired to become dangerously underweight, is really starting to annoy me.
Yes having only very thin women modelling in adverts is bad, but this isn’t bad because ‘fashion obsessed girls are so dumb they’re gonna stop eating if they see this’, it’s bad because not all women are thin, and advertising only with the thinnest narrows the market you appeal to.
And if eating disorders in young women were really such a big worry for the government, surely they would instead fund nhs mental health services properly to make getting help for disordered eating and the issues which cause it (here’s a hint, it’s not fashion), much easier and safer to access?
But no, this is not what is being done, they’re banning adverts with thin models instead.
Starmer really doesn’t like women it seems. Too thin and you’re stupid and impressionable and promote mental illness by existing, too many children and you’re a scrounger who doesn’t deserve government support, lacking an extra X chromosome and you’re banned from public loos and refused healthcare.
Whataboutism?
You could say what about lots of things, but what about arguing your case?
Body building is not at all within a similar category of fashion magazines setting an unhealthy standard as for being thin.
Mention One high end fashion company that uses extreme body builders for their models.
Body building is a sport, being thin is not a sport.
Although body building is also extreme, it is a different category and a different debate.
It’s not whataboutism - just trying to understand your point of view how skinny is worse than fat when objectively speaking they both carry similar health risk, I’d even argue that until you get old skinny is still healthier than fat. So clearly you’re not referring to the health metric - what is it then?
You just keep patching your thought process with goal post movement. First it’s health, then it’s extreme mindset, now it’s “sport” whatever that means?
Either way cleaely you haven’t formed a steong position here and as someone who’s been friends with many people who are naturally skinny and got bullied for it I’d say that you’re really missing something here.
Why do you say she’s obviously unhealthily thin? Per the article:
both models in question had medical certification proving they were in good health when the pictures were taken.
The only evidence the article gives to there unhealthiness is the protruding collarbone. As someone who is naturally very thin I can assure you that you can be healthy and have a protruding collarbone.
I understand ads are setting beauty standards that are unachievable for a lot of girls and women which causes a lot of problems, but I don’t think ths solution is to mark certain body shapes as unhealthy and ban them, there is no universal healthy body shape, what is healthy for some is unhealthy for others. This isn’t even getting into issues of race and other unchangeable attributes someone else might have and feel bad for not matching a standard. The solution is to ban fashion advertising in general, or at least to teenage girls, so you don’t have to deal with these issues.
Trump also has stellar health certificates despite being obese, when they are obviously false, why should I give a shit about a piece of paper where you can be paid to write anything?
I did not make my conclusion based on the wording in the article, but based on the pictures. And 2 things stood out to me, her sunken eyes, and her very thin legs.
Regarding the protruding collarbone, it’s not just protruding which I agree can be normal, but hers is extremely protruding.
She may be built that way maybe having some fat burning gene or something, but she is still extremely thin, and using that kind of models to depict what is fashionable, has been very well documented to be harmful to especially teenage girls and cause eating disorders.
Welcome to the internet. Lemmy is better than a lot of places but we’ve still got people who need to be deprogrammed and/or don’t understand nuance.
In this instance, there seem to be people that believe pushing an unrealistic beauty standard on young people is some monumental effort to curb obesity or that tackling that problem is promoting obesity.
And just bc I’m on the internet and it’s expected that I have no nuance, I’ll go ahead and guess it’s a bunch of dudes that think they know what’s best for women. Real, “I’m a feminist bc I protect them” types.
Plus size models are not becoming a problem as a fashion statement, which is contrary to unhealthily thin models.
And using plus size models serve the purpose of showing the clothes are actually available in those sizes, which they often are not.
What’s with all the stupid comments here?
She is obviously unhealthily thin, and of course she is allowed to be thin.
What is not allowed, and shouldn’t be anywhere, is to idealize such extreme unhealthy standards in advertisements, and particularly not as a “fashion statement”.
Edit PS:
The reason it is banned in some places, and should be banned, is that it sets an unhealthy standard, and causes eating disorders among especially teenager girls. It’s basically for the same reason that advertising tobacco is illegal in most places.
So by that logic we should ban all ads featuring fat people too?
You have to compare this to being obese, not simply being fat, that girl is not simply slim, she is extremely thin bordering on anorexic.
So no, and the reason it is banned in some places and should be in all, is that it causes eating disorders especially among teenage girls that try to become unhealthily thin to live up to an impossible fashion ideal.
There is no similar fashion ideal for being obese. But if hypothetically there was, and it caused a similar effect, it should also hypothetically be illegal to use obese models.
I’m that thin too. Do you know how fucking tired I am of hearing about how I’m “bordering on anorexic”? Shut the fuck up, I probably eat more than you. You’re right, there are a lot of stupid comments in here, as you put it. But they all sound like you. Reread your comments with the new understanding that there are thin people reading them too.
This is just a bunch of fat people collectively saying ‘ew you should eat more’ and it’s gross.
Seriously. This was my take too. It’s gross that people are calling a thin person that they know nothing about “unhealthy”.
This assumption that young women are so silly and impressionable that they can’t be allowed to see thin women modelling clothes because they might be inspired to become dangerously underweight, is really starting to annoy me.
Yes having only very thin women modelling in adverts is bad, but this isn’t bad because ‘fashion obsessed girls are so dumb they’re gonna stop eating if they see this’, it’s bad because not all women are thin, and advertising only with the thinnest narrows the market you appeal to.
And if eating disorders in young women were really such a big worry for the government, surely they would instead fund nhs mental health services properly to make getting help for disordered eating and the issues which cause it (here’s a hint, it’s not fashion), much easier and safer to access?
But no, this is not what is being done, they’re banning adverts with thin models instead.
Starmer really doesn’t like women it seems. Too thin and you’re stupid and impressionable and promote mental illness by existing, too many children and you’re a scrounger who doesn’t deserve government support, lacking an extra X chromosome and you’re banned from public loos and refused healthcare.
Why do I have to compare this to being obese? What metric are you using that implies
(obese == skinny) > fat?Very obviously for similar extremism in the physical condition.
So its only extremist based? What about body building?
Whataboutism?
You could say what about lots of things, but what about arguing your case?
Body building is not at all within a similar category of fashion magazines setting an unhealthy standard as for being thin.
Mention One high end fashion company that uses extreme body builders for their models.
Body building is a sport, being thin is not a sport.
Although body building is also extreme, it is a different category and a different debate.
It’s not whataboutism - just trying to understand your point of view how skinny is worse than fat when objectively speaking they both carry similar health risk, I’d even argue that until you get old skinny is still healthier than fat. So clearly you’re not referring to the health metric - what is it then?
You just keep patching your thought process with goal post movement. First it’s health, then it’s extreme mindset, now it’s “sport” whatever that means?
Either way cleaely you haven’t formed a steong position here and as someone who’s been friends with many people who are naturally skinny and got bullied for it I’d say that you’re really missing something here.
I never made that claim.
Why do you say she’s obviously unhealthily thin? Per the article:
The only evidence the article gives to there unhealthiness is the protruding collarbone. As someone who is naturally very thin I can assure you that you can be healthy and have a protruding collarbone.
I understand ads are setting beauty standards that are unachievable for a lot of girls and women which causes a lot of problems, but I don’t think ths solution is to mark certain body shapes as unhealthy and ban them, there is no universal healthy body shape, what is healthy for some is unhealthy for others. This isn’t even getting into issues of race and other unchangeable attributes someone else might have and feel bad for not matching a standard. The solution is to ban fashion advertising in general, or at least to teenage girls, so you don’t have to deal with these issues.
Trump also has stellar health certificates despite being obese, when they are obviously false, why should I give a shit about a piece of paper where you can be paid to write anything?
I did not make my conclusion based on the wording in the article, but based on the pictures. And 2 things stood out to me, her sunken eyes, and her very thin legs.
Regarding the protruding collarbone, it’s not just protruding which I agree can be normal, but hers is extremely protruding.
She may be built that way maybe having some fat burning gene or something, but she is still extremely thin, and using that kind of models to depict what is fashionable, has been very well documented to be harmful to especially teenage girls and cause eating disorders.
Welcome to the internet. Lemmy is better than a lot of places but we’ve still got people who need to be deprogrammed and/or don’t understand nuance.
In this instance, there seem to be people that believe pushing an unrealistic beauty standard on young people is some monumental effort to curb obesity or that tackling that problem is promoting obesity.
And just bc I’m on the internet and it’s expected that I have no nuance, I’ll go ahead and guess it’s a bunch of dudes that think they know what’s best for women. Real, “I’m a feminist bc I protect them” types.
You’re going to need to add “plus size” models to stay consistent.
Plus size models are not becoming a problem as a fashion statement, which is contrary to unhealthily thin models.
And using plus size models serve the purpose of showing the clothes are actually available in those sizes, which they often are not.