Also, he offered a group of angry Sodomites his daughters to rape just to get the crowd to leave him and the other dudes alone, because they showed up to rape the dudes because they weren’t from there.
After his wife was turned to a pillar of salt, he flaked out of living in a city and moved the family to a cave, where said incest happened.
Ultimately, this is one of those “WTF are people doing taking this literally?” stories. It’s not a convoluted story about the real and least lucky person not killed in Sodom and Gomorrah, but a 3-hour movie that should have been 3 seasons of 10 episodes about 1) showing hospitality, 2) if you’re living in a messy situation, just get out of there, 3) lessons on genetic diversity among Hebrew elders and leaders 4) “proper subjugation of women!” /s 5) Yahweh hates the gays! (“It’s the gays! They’re trying to kill me!” -Lot) 6) Vehicle for lesson from unnamed wife about living in the past, and 7) Be careful about stealing the sperm of descendants of King David! Collectors love the stuff! (this is actually a thing in the ancient and modern world. It’s all been Jerry Springer all the time since we learned to write down how trashy people are.)
The usual explanation is just “too much wickedness” or some variation. The incident with the crowd trying to rape the 2 angels in the form of 2 dudes precipitates the destruction, but there’s a laundry list. But the act of sodomy isn’t named after Gomorrah, right? Most sodomy laws are specifically about men having non-procreative sex, and that being illegal.
Again, it’s a layered allegory about with who and when to have sex.
OK, so Genesis 18:23 seems to use the same term as “wicked” which is sort of an antonym for righteous or godly. So it’s both “bad, evil, naughty” and just “not our religion.”
In chapter 19, the Angels are referred to as men, and the “to know them” is the literal term in Hebrew, so it’s the standard euphemism.
Even looking at research into this (at a cursory level), it seems that there’s no singular sin of which Sodom was a whole was guilty, just sort of blanket “wickedness” like society prior to the deluge. Not even everyone in Sodom as a town was “unrighteous” anyway - Yahweh murdered innocents just to get the other ones. There’s not even much in the way of the sin being exclusive to sexual sin only, be that gay or anything else specifically. “Unnatural sex” is a term used once elsewhere, but that is also a term used for same-sex relations.
In the NT, Jude 1:7 refers to their sin as just fornication and being unchaste. So just horny AF. But that’s a take from thousands of years after the fact.
It’s really just that the inciting incident itself is about a crowd (we presume of men) demanding to rail 2 adult male strangers without their consent. Which, if you read the story is odd because they were planning to sleep outside in the square anyway before Lot gave them a place to stay. So it may simply have been the custom of Sodom (again, if we take this literally, which we should not) to fuck over strangers. That could easily be a sexual thing, it could also mean just rolling someone and stealing their stuff. Or maybe it was a mob of Amazons with ancient strapons planning to peg the strangers. Any of these are possible. But I’m also no expert here or scholar, so please read a real book about this. But usual sources don’t seem to necessarily indicate pedophilia at all among the list of sins.
He wasn’t a king.
Also, he offered a group of angry Sodomites his daughters to rape just to get the crowd to leave him and the other dudes alone, because they showed up to rape the dudes because they weren’t from there.
After his wife was turned to a pillar of salt, he flaked out of living in a city and moved the family to a cave, where said incest happened.
Ultimately, this is one of those “WTF are people doing taking this literally?” stories. It’s not a convoluted story about the real and least lucky person not killed in Sodom and Gomorrah, but a 3-hour movie that should have been 3 seasons of 10 episodes about 1) showing hospitality, 2) if you’re living in a messy situation, just get out of there, 3) lessons on genetic diversity among Hebrew elders and leaders 4) “proper subjugation of women!” /s 5) Yahweh hates the gays! (“It’s the gays! They’re trying to kill me!” -Lot) 6) Vehicle for lesson from unnamed wife about living in the past, and 7) Be careful about stealing the sperm of descendants of King David! Collectors love the stuff! (this is actually a thing in the ancient and modern world. It’s all been Jerry Springer all the time since we learned to write down how trashy people are.)
This. There’s more than enough to criticise about this story without inventing story points.
I thought Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for pedophilia, not homosexuality.
The usual explanation is just “too much wickedness” or some variation. The incident with the crowd trying to rape the 2 angels in the form of 2 dudes precipitates the destruction, but there’s a laundry list. But the act of sodomy isn’t named after Gomorrah, right? Most sodomy laws are specifically about men having non-procreative sex, and that being illegal.
Again, it’s a layered allegory about with who and when to have sex.
Yes but most Sodomy laws happened after the King James Bible changed references to pedophilia to gay sex.
Quick! To the Interlinear Bible!
OK, so Genesis 18:23 seems to use the same term as “wicked” which is sort of an antonym for righteous or godly. So it’s both “bad, evil, naughty” and just “not our religion.”
In chapter 19, the Angels are referred to as men, and the “to know them” is the literal term in Hebrew, so it’s the standard euphemism.
Even looking at research into this (at a cursory level), it seems that there’s no singular sin of which Sodom was a whole was guilty, just sort of blanket “wickedness” like society prior to the deluge. Not even everyone in Sodom as a town was “unrighteous” anyway - Yahweh murdered innocents just to get the other ones. There’s not even much in the way of the sin being exclusive to sexual sin only, be that gay or anything else specifically. “Unnatural sex” is a term used once elsewhere, but that is also a term used for same-sex relations.
In the NT, Jude 1:7 refers to their sin as just fornication and being unchaste. So just horny AF. But that’s a take from thousands of years after the fact.
It’s really just that the inciting incident itself is about a crowd (we presume of men) demanding to rail 2 adult male strangers without their consent. Which, if you read the story is odd because they were planning to sleep outside in the square anyway before Lot gave them a place to stay. So it may simply have been the custom of Sodom (again, if we take this literally, which we should not) to fuck over strangers. That could easily be a sexual thing, it could also mean just rolling someone and stealing their stuff. Or maybe it was a mob of Amazons with ancient strapons planning to peg the strangers. Any of these are possible. But I’m also no expert here or scholar, so please read a real book about this. But usual sources don’t seem to necessarily indicate pedophilia at all among the list of sins.