The post is a jab about American folks who conflate the terms. I wasn’t expecting people to take this as seriously as others have!
Although now that you mentioned it, I kinda sense that there could be something going on sometimes, especially on comments looking down on the working class supporting the Republicans, while refusing to acknowledge that they used to vote Democrats. Plenty of people worth their salt would tell anyone that it is because the working class felt abandoned after the outsourcing of jobs without offering alternatives. Unfortunately, a lot on the left, but more so on liberals, don’t see this and keep calling the working class as dumb hicks.
There are definitely folks who are too far gone and support fascists, but to caricaturise everyone in the demographic while a more plausible explanation is available seems tone deaf. It made me think that there could be an intentional wedge to create in-fighting for such deliberate nosing down.
Where are you from that somehow this isn’t affecting you. I just saw top posts on Lemmy about how Germany and France joined the UK in having far right parties reach the top of the polls. Please don’t let me demean whatever country you’re from if it’s not those, but a world where Germany, France, the UK, join the already gone US in far right ideology is no bueno (to use a language that might suffer in the future). But go ahead and take your jabs, because time is running out.
Why do you think housing crisis and wealth inequality is happening across the world? Why did the working class is turning to the right when they used to vote liberal? These issues doesn’t just stop in the US as you pointed out. It is almost as if valuing private property and individualism is not the Achilles heel of liberals. And precisely private property and individualism is what liberalism was founded on.
I am going to be blunt. The difference between non-US liberals and US liberals is that the former know exactly who they are and what they want-- they are NIMBYs who don’t want their property value to go down, and homeless families and children and tenants paying half their monthly salary in rent be damned. Meanwhile, US liberals shy away from admitting they are NIMBYs, but instead caricaturise the working class as racist hicks, rather than recognising they are mostly decent folks who just want roof over their heads and not living paycheck to paycheck. There are plenty of news of neighbourhoods in liberal California and New York blocking affordable housing.
A lot of people commenting here and seemingly annoyed that liberal and left are different because of said issues, is precisely what this post is about. Knowing they are different is a start.
I read comments from a lot of Europeans (and maybe those in Oceania, I’ll be honest, I don’t think much about that region because I’m from America) who seem to think they’re immune from what happened in the US over the last decade plus, but it’s clearly spreading, and yet it’s this onslaught of shit talking, Americans are dumb, there is only one liberalism, if you’re not with us you’re against us.
Well, they divided the left, people lost interest, and now what was unarguably the strongest nation in the world has gone awry, but let’s go ahead and wax poetic about this unrealistic perfect world that people want. The right, as much as I disagree with them, is pretty grounded in reality, and they use that to their advantage, and the left lives in Idealand, and that’s a vague concept. And it’s a great place, but it’s not possible when you shit on people who don’t match your exact idea.
I’m farting into the wind here, I’ve got a less than zero confidence many of these accounts exist solely to create strife, the same way they did on Reddit. This isn’t a leftist Utopia, it’s a fucking blender.
The post is a jab about American folks who conflate the terms. I wasn’t expecting people to take this as seriously as others have!
Although now that you mentioned it, I kinda sense that there could be something going on sometimes, especially on comments looking down on the working class supporting the Republicans, while refusing to acknowledge that they used to vote Democrats. Plenty of people worth their salt would tell anyone that it is because the working class felt abandoned after the outsourcing of jobs without offering alternatives. Unfortunately, a lot on the left, but more so on liberals, don’t see this and keep calling the working class as dumb hicks. There are definitely folks who are too far gone and support fascists, but to caricaturise everyone in the demographic while a more plausible explanation is available seems tone deaf. It made me think that there could be an intentional wedge to create in-fighting for such deliberate nosing down.
Where are you from that somehow this isn’t affecting you. I just saw top posts on Lemmy about how Germany and France joined the UK in having far right parties reach the top of the polls. Please don’t let me demean whatever country you’re from if it’s not those, but a world where Germany, France, the UK, join the already gone US in far right ideology is no bueno (to use a language that might suffer in the future). But go ahead and take your jabs, because time is running out.
Why do you think housing crisis and wealth inequality is happening across the world? Why did the working class is turning to the right when they used to vote liberal? These issues doesn’t just stop in the US as you pointed out. It is almost as if valuing private property and individualism is not the Achilles heel of liberals. And precisely private property and individualism is what liberalism was founded on.
I am going to be blunt. The difference between non-US liberals and US liberals is that the former know exactly who they are and what they want-- they are NIMBYs who don’t want their property value to go down, and homeless families and children and tenants paying half their monthly salary in rent be damned. Meanwhile, US liberals shy away from admitting they are NIMBYs, but instead caricaturise the working class as racist hicks, rather than recognising they are mostly decent folks who just want roof over their heads and not living paycheck to paycheck. There are plenty of news of neighbourhoods in liberal California and New York blocking affordable housing.
A lot of people commenting here and seemingly annoyed that liberal and left are different because of said issues, is precisely what this post is about. Knowing they are different is a start.
The left and liberals are one and the same in America.
Now I’m sure you’re going to go on some stupid fucking diatribe about how “aCkShuAllY they AREN’T”.
That’s just Russian fucking propaganda. You’re trying to bisect the left to create infighting in order to prop up fascist interests.
Begone, troll.
Just ask the opinion on economic issues and there is stark difference.
Is it really Russian propaganda? Or American oligarch propaganda to conflate the two terms?
I read comments from a lot of Europeans (and maybe those in Oceania, I’ll be honest, I don’t think much about that region because I’m from America) who seem to think they’re immune from what happened in the US over the last decade plus, but it’s clearly spreading, and yet it’s this onslaught of shit talking, Americans are dumb, there is only one liberalism, if you’re not with us you’re against us.
Well, they divided the left, people lost interest, and now what was unarguably the strongest nation in the world has gone awry, but let’s go ahead and wax poetic about this unrealistic perfect world that people want. The right, as much as I disagree with them, is pretty grounded in reality, and they use that to their advantage, and the left lives in Idealand, and that’s a vague concept. And it’s a great place, but it’s not possible when you shit on people who don’t match your exact idea.
I’m farting into the wind here, I’ve got a less than zero confidence many of these accounts exist solely to create strife, the same way they did on Reddit. This isn’t a leftist Utopia, it’s a fucking blender.
However you define liberal, there is the big question mark. Why did the working class used to vote liberal and Democrats but now turned to the right?