Okay, and you’ve admitted Lemmy as a (global) community has decided this usage of this verbiage.
Unless there’s a variant of English called Lemmy English, Lemmy isn’t a language community like a continent or nation with an active culture, organized society, etc.
No one ceases to be a member of their language community by participating in Lemmy.
It’s a global site of discussion.
Most people pick up on the distinction
Only seen that here, which makes you the odd ones out.
doesn’t make it true
The language community makes it true: the sources I linked & their sources support it.
Plain observation of political news & discussions on US television, radio, & press corroborates.
Are you denying the meaning of the phrase owning the libs in North America?
Are you denying progressives there accept the label?
Are you denying their pervasive language of liberals in opposition to the right?
A surge in young women who identify as politically liberal in recent years goes beyond the label, extending particularly to their stances on the environment and abortion.
Values and Beliefs survey finds that Americans are currently about equally likely to say their views are conservative (32%), moderate (32%) or liberal (33%) on social issues
Conservative and liberal students at two small Midwest universities have been meeting every month to talk politics, while practicing listening and avoiding making assumptions about the other side.
The neoliberal order was no exception. Despite being a project incubated in Republican circles and launched under Ronald Reagan, its full-scale consolidation occurred under the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton in the 1990s.
Imo the neoliberal order was a response to the Civil Rights Era, a WORLDWIDE movement that gave ordinary citizens more rights and power than any other time in history. To disempower them, capitalism was weaponized to create neoliberal policies to make poor people stay poor, without capital, and thus powerless.
But it was not until Reagan that neoliberalism actively shaped the policy agenda of the federal government. Deregulation became the mantra of the decade, its most visible manifestation being the assault on collective bargaining and the further weakening of already struggling unions. Progressive taxation was contested ideologically and dismantled politically: When Reagan was elected, the income tax system was structured in 15 different brackets, with the highest reaching 70 percent; after his presidency, the country was left with just two brackets, 15 and 28 percent.
"Neoliberals,” Gerstle writes, “had long argued for the need to ringfence free markets, limiting participation to those who could handle its rigors.” Now they also embraced a religiously imbued neo-Victorian moral code, setting themselves in opposition to the permissiveness and moral relativism of the 1960s and 1970s. The race-biased mass incarceration of an “underclass” — regarded as unfit to handle those rigors — seemed to offer the ultimate solution. Liberation and repression, freedom and order, were not incompatible; in the neoliberal equation they were strictly interdependent.
A political order must have the ability to shape the core ideas of political life. It must be able to do so not just for one political party’s most ardent supporters but for people located across the political spectrum. The New Deal order sold a large majority of Americans on the proposition that a strong central state could manage a dynamic but dangerous capitalist economy in the public interest. The neoliberal order persuaded a large majority of Americans that free markets would unleash capitalism from unnecessary state controls and spread prosperity and personal freedom throughout the ranks of Americans and then throughout the world. Neither of these propositions today commands the support or authority that they once possessed. Political disorder and dysfunction reign. What comes next is the most important question in the United States, and the world, now face.
You are the very problem you describe and project.
Other online communities, especially European ones, understand this delineation.
Colloquial use vs jargon has been discussed.
Cultural is affected by the people in the culture. Communities by the people in the community.
Am I claiming this?
The line between liberalism and leftism
Gee look, I was NOT claiming that. You said people have to be either/or - never said that. Learn to read.
Again, just because you can compare similarities, does not erase the contrasts/differences. We all learned to compare and contrast in middle school. Just because apples and oranges are both round and fruits, does not mean we should make apples and oranges mean the same thing or be the same word.
Please read The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order before responding again. It literally explains why liberals should be considered rightwing. That you don’t understand is a you thing. Again, by your own claims, everyone else on Lemmy gets this but you. You are the thing you are complaining about via projection.
Unless there’s a variant of English called Lemmy English, Lemmy isn’t a language community like a continent or nation with an active culture, organized society, etc. No one ceases to be a member of their language community by participating in Lemmy. It’s a global site of discussion.
Only seen that here, which makes you the odd ones out.
The language community makes it true: the sources I linked & their sources support it. Plain observation of political news & discussions on US television, radio, & press corroborates. Are you denying the meaning of the phrase owning the libs in North America? Are you denying progressives there accept the label? Are you denying their pervasive language of liberals in opposition to the right?
articles using liberal as left
How One Oregon Activist Is Using a Decades-Old Liberal Policy to Stall Green Energy Projects in Rural Areas
The “weirdos” shaping Trump’s second term: A liberal writer explains her journey through intellectual MAGAland
Inside the “Private and Confidential” Conservative Group That Promises to “Crush Liberal Dominance”
Exploring Young Women’s Leftward Expansion
U.S. Political Parties Historically Polarized Ideologically
Increase in Liberal Views Brings Ideological Parity on Social Issues
Conservative, liberal Midwest college students talk politics while practicing empathy
Republican legislatures look to put local issues in liberal areas under state control
The dictionary
progressive senses of liberal
Planet lemmy is blind to reality & plain observation.
Yes, right there. There’s no “line”: they’re logically independent & can overlap. As stated several times before
Many would put personal freedom top among those pursuits & consider politics that treats it diminutively outright trash.
The denial that liberal is left is common in these discussions on lemmy: this post & its comments such as
“The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order: America and the World in the Free Market Era”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/05/06/how-neoliberal-order-triumphed-why-its-now-crumbling/
Imo the neoliberal order was a response to the Civil Rights Era, a WORLDWIDE movement that gave ordinary citizens more rights and power than any other time in history. To disempower them, capitalism was weaponized to create neoliberal policies to make poor people stay poor, without capital, and thus powerless.
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/92993192-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-neoliberal-order-america-and-the-world-in-the
Capitalism has already killed us all. https://www.ecowatch.com/planetary-boundaries-ocean-acidification-climate-science.html
Murdering the entire planet’s megafauna for capital is, well, not leftist.
Lol
You are the odd one out.
You are the very problem you describe and project.
Other online communities, especially European ones, understand this delineation.
Colloquial use vs jargon has been discussed.
Cultural is affected by the people in the culture. Communities by the people in the community.
Gee look, I was NOT claiming that. You said people have to be either/or - never said that. Learn to read.
Again, just because you can compare similarities, does not erase the contrasts/differences. We all learned to compare and contrast in middle school. Just because apples and oranges are both round and fruits, does not mean we should make apples and oranges mean the same thing or be the same word.
Please read The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order before responding again. It literally explains why liberals should be considered rightwing. That you don’t understand is a you thing. Again, by your own claims, everyone else on Lemmy gets this but you. You are the thing you are complaining about via projection.
https://lemmy.world/post/34460101/18831918