Oof. I really shouldn’t have to explain the systemic difference between the two.
Also once again, this comic is making the joke that a strange man could be a rapist, and that women are not interested in strange men the same way men may be interested strange women - not that all single men are rapists.
You’re purposefully conflating this comic to the level of hating men, and then to the level of using crime statistics to perpetuate systemic racism. Brother you’ve lost the plot.
Men, particularly the vast majority of working class men, are victims of the patriarchy even at the same time they receive privileges. There’s an unfortunate sentiment among the woke that people who happen to be part of a privileged group are bad. White people are colonizers, straight people are toxic, men are all violent sexual predators, etc. For a lot of people, it’s much easier to be woke and fight for an equal and just world when the victims of that oppression are obvious.
If this exact same comic was made by JK Rowling and replaced “men” with “trans women” or “trans men” the comments section would be (rightfully) shooting it down as being bigoted.
All that aside, from a practical standpoint it’s also worth pointing out that any sexual assault expert will tell you the vast majority happen between people who already know each other. A victim is more likely to be abused by their own family members, family friends, teachers, religious figures, youth leaders, coworkers, or significant other than they are a random stranger. Of course, it’s always dangerous to meet strangers (robbery, fraud, and more).
Which is important to point out because it’s a very quick jump from “women don’t feel safe because of all of these men around” to “well let’s get rid of the most violent men”. Which, oddly enough, tend to also be a part of whatever group they are trying to eliminate. Jews in pre-WW2 Germany, black men in America, communists in McCarthyism, Hispanics under Trump, Syrian refugees in Europe. It always starts with “this group wants to hurt our women and children” and ends with everyone losing rights to authoritarian regimes.
Omg we’re so close! Yes they defend themselves because those statistics are being used as weapons in furthering systemic racism. Us making fun of men (once again, not happening in this comic) does nothing but damage the patriarchy, which we agree is good right?
To be clear, when we shit on bad men - I do want there to be nuance that we are specifically talking about bad men. This comic doesn’t need that because he’s either a rapist or he’s not - but it doesn’t matter because he’s still a stranger and that MAY be dangerous.
It was nice talking to you. Maybe one day you’ll be able to see you’re being sexist by having negative attitudes attached to gender instead of other contributing factors like socioeconomic status or substance issues
I’m a man. I like being a man. I like the other men in my life. I’m not being sexist, and neither is this comic.
You claim I have a negative attitude attached to a gender… I’ve only criticized rapists. Is hating rapists equivalent to hating men? I’ve been very clear in my beliefs and why I hold them, and all you’ve done is some racial what-aboutism.
Seriously man, have a think about this one. We’re on the same side - the difference being when I see stuff hating on men, I blame the men that give us a bad name, not the women that have chosen to be cautious around men for their own safety. If I ever encountered a woman scared by my presence, I wouldn’t get upset and think “wow what a bitch she hates men just for being men”. I would become saddened that the world we live in puts women in a position that they fear men.
contributing factors like socioeconomic status or substance issues
It’s because of these factors that there is nuance with these kinds of jokes.
Okay not sexist at all then. Because there’s nothing racist about crime statistics about black people.
What people might do or say in regards to those statistics is typically where the racism comes in.
In a thread where the discussion is men, spouting statistics without solution is prejudicial.
Just like it would be racist to do the same thing with black people.
You’re being purposefully ignorant of the current thread we are in.
Oof. I really shouldn’t have to explain the systemic difference between the two.
Also once again, this comic is making the joke that a strange man could be a rapist, and that women are not interested in strange men the same way men may be interested strange women - not that all single men are rapists.
You’re purposefully conflating this comic to the level of hating men, and then to the level of using crime statistics to perpetuate systemic racism. Brother you’ve lost the plot.
Is the patriarchy not a systemic issue?
Bringing up statistics without a solution is problematic, to say the very least.
If you have issue with that statement, then you may need to rethink your approach.
YES! We’re getting to the same page. The difference is the patriarchy defends itself. I’ve never seen a black person fight to defend systemic racism.
But I have seen black people defend themselves when someone brings up crime stats without solutions or discussions of the systems in place.
Weird how that works huh?
Men, particularly the vast majority of working class men, are victims of the patriarchy even at the same time they receive privileges. There’s an unfortunate sentiment among the woke that people who happen to be part of a privileged group are bad. White people are colonizers, straight people are toxic, men are all violent sexual predators, etc. For a lot of people, it’s much easier to be woke and fight for an equal and just world when the victims of that oppression are obvious.
If this exact same comic was made by JK Rowling and replaced “men” with “trans women” or “trans men” the comments section would be (rightfully) shooting it down as being bigoted.
All that aside, from a practical standpoint it’s also worth pointing out that any sexual assault expert will tell you the vast majority happen between people who already know each other. A victim is more likely to be abused by their own family members, family friends, teachers, religious figures, youth leaders, coworkers, or significant other than they are a random stranger. Of course, it’s always dangerous to meet strangers (robbery, fraud, and more).
Which is important to point out because it’s a very quick jump from “women don’t feel safe because of all of these men around” to “well let’s get rid of the most violent men”. Which, oddly enough, tend to also be a part of whatever group they are trying to eliminate. Jews in pre-WW2 Germany, black men in America, communists in McCarthyism, Hispanics under Trump, Syrian refugees in Europe. It always starts with “this group wants to hurt our women and children” and ends with everyone losing rights to authoritarian regimes.
Omg we’re so close! Yes they defend themselves because those statistics are being used as weapons in furthering systemic racism. Us making fun of men (once again, not happening in this comic) does nothing but damage the patriarchy, which we agree is good right?
To be clear, when we shit on bad men - I do want there to be nuance that we are specifically talking about bad men. This comic doesn’t need that because he’s either a rapist or he’s not - but it doesn’t matter because he’s still a stranger and that MAY be dangerous.
Yeah, man, we were so close.
And then you went back to being sexist.
Oh well…
It was nice talking to you. Maybe one day you’ll be able to see you’re being sexist by having negative attitudes attached to gender instead of other contributing factors like socioeconomic status or substance issues
I’m a man. I like being a man. I like the other men in my life. I’m not being sexist, and neither is this comic. You claim I have a negative attitude attached to a gender… I’ve only criticized rapists. Is hating rapists equivalent to hating men? I’ve been very clear in my beliefs and why I hold them, and all you’ve done is some racial what-aboutism. Seriously man, have a think about this one. We’re on the same side - the difference being when I see stuff hating on men, I blame the men that give us a bad name, not the women that have chosen to be cautious around men for their own safety. If I ever encountered a woman scared by my presence, I wouldn’t get upset and think “wow what a bitch she hates men just for being men”. I would become saddened that the world we live in puts women in a position that they fear men.
It’s because of these factors that there is nuance with these kinds of jokes.