Right now we are in The Matrix. You are Cypher, and you want us to stay plugged in so you can continue to enjoy your delicious steak and be someone important (a white man).
I literally almost stopped here and this me just sort of skim the rest because it’s so obvious that you’re not participating seriously or you’re woefully new at all this.
I think we live in different worlds. I am out talking to actual people on both sides of issues, I am out doing actual things with real people. You have the same syndrome that a lot of leftists have, which is getting the need for intellectual battle out of your system online because you literally cannot debate the right, they are also in a different world and don’t care if you best them in games of rhetoric.
‘Wokeness’ isn’t about making crackers feel bad. It isn’t about shaming people for not dating trans women or wearing leather. "Woke’ LITERALLY means waking up to and being aware of your oppressors.
The people who updoot this type of rhetoric are already on your side. The people not on your side roll their eyes at this bullshit, and until you get that through your collective skulls on the Terminally Online Left, we will continue to lose young men to fascist rhetoric that tells them to stop worrying about thinking with their heads and points an enemy at them. You are still spinning your wheels imagining we’re going to form the “perfect argument” that turns everyone around. At least I think that’s what you’re saying, I asked what your strategy would be to turn things around, you didn’t give one, you tried to turn it around on me saying that there’s no “representation” proving that it’s easy to turn people.
Bro, it’s so easy to turn people that people have been fucking turned nazi because we’re all here pondering theory and culture behind isolated cultural lines. Have you spent any time in a conservative hangout? Have you lived around rednecks and working class people? Do you have ANY idea what goes on in their minds? And yet you think you know how to change them? Give them a new story, one by one, each of them, get to know them, talk to them, listen to them, and turn them against the proper target and STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, WE’RE ALL GOING TO FUCKING DIE.
It’s like being in a dream where you are trying to shake people into becoming aware it’s a dream and they just stare like zombies. Smuggest fucking intellectuals in line for the gas chambers, all of you. I’m out.
I was waiting on your to throw a temper tantrum, declare I’m not being serious, and announce your departure. That’s what always happens when people like you can’t back up your claims.
it’s so obvious that you’re not participating seriously
Well I was trying to figure out a metaphor you would be able to comprehend- I’ve already spelled out my position in clear an unambiguous language and you keep ignoring it. Apparently analogies go over your head as well. I tried at least.
I am out doing actual things with real people.
I bet you can’t or won’t specify what those things are. Believe it or don’t but typically the people you interact with online have living, breathing human beings on the other end. We are just as ‘real’ as Joe Dirt or whoever you are supposedly interacting with.
you literally cannot debate the right, they are also in a different world and don’t care if you best them in games of rhetoric. And yet you think you know how to change them?
You can’t debate them because they are immune to logic or the ability to feel compassion or shame for their hypocrisy. Perhaps if you had actually read my comment instead of skimming it you might understand that I have no interest whatsoever in attempting to win over the ‘right’. Nazi’s are going to Nazi. They NEVER were going to be our allies or fight against the ruling class and if you think even for one second they can or ever would be you are an incredible fool.
The people who updoot this type of rhetoric are already on your side.
It’s not ‘rhetoric’ homie- that is the literal definition and has been since the early 20th century when Leadbelly started singing about staying woke.
The people not on your side roll their eyes at this bullshit
How in the actual living fuck are you planning on turning bigots against capitalists without waking them up to the fact that Capitalists are their oppressors? Are you planning on tricking them somehow? You keep dodging the question, how do you actually expect to accomplish an anti capitalist revolution without the left? I’d REALLY love to hear this plan.
You are still spinning your wheels imagining we’re going to form the “perfect argument” that turns everyone around.
And for the fifth time, I am not. If someone is against equality they are not an ally in any way and will be useless for fighting a class war in any capacity. We might be able to get some of the ‘centrists’ and ‘non political’ people who aren’t absolute ghouls on our side through education- but he time for that is quickly passing. The battle lines are being drawn. If you are going to stand with the anti-woke crowd and expect leftists to work with you I believe you are sorely mistaken
I asked what your strategy would be to turn things around, you didn’t give one
Because there isn’t one. I can’t force people to have compassion and neither can you (not that you would even attempt it), it’s something people have to choose for themselves.
you tried to turn it around on me saying that there’s no “representation” proving that it’s easy to turn people.
I didn’t TRY. I was successful. You can’t point to a single person in real life trying the strategy you seem to think is obvious- because those people simply do not exist. I’m not sure what your damage is- but you are delusional.
Have you lived around rednecks and working class people? Do you have ANY idea what goes on in their minds?
Son I was born and raised Indiana- one of the most ass backwards redneck states in the Union. Not only have I ‘lived around’ working class people my entire life- I am the working poor. My dad was working poor. My grandpa was working poor. My entire family line going back for generations have been. And Yes I have intimate knowledge of how and what they think. I know the shit they won’t say on Fox News. They hate Black folks. They hate immigrants. They hate gay people. They hate anyone that doesn’t look and behave like they do. They think women should mind their men and defer to them as if they were children.They are willing to vote against their best interests in order to go back to a time when America was ruled by people like them. When women and minorities ‘knew their place’. When America was “Great”. If YOU actually spent time around working class rednecks you would already know this shit.
I’m out.
You were already out. The only thing you have said this entire conversation that is even remotely leftist is that we should have class warfare against the ruling class. That’s a start but it’s the bare minimum to participate. You are showing up to the ball game in a business suit and a basketball. It seems to me like you are a moderate or conservative who recently ‘woke’ (in the actual sense of the term) to fact that Capitalism is bad actually. If you aren’t on board with equality. If you don’t fight for a classless society- you aren’t a leftist and you were never on my side to start with.
I literally almost stopped here and this me just sort of skim the rest because it’s so obvious that you’re not participating seriously or you’re woefully new at all this.
I think we live in different worlds. I am out talking to actual people on both sides of issues, I am out doing actual things with real people. You have the same syndrome that a lot of leftists have, which is getting the need for intellectual battle out of your system online because you literally cannot debate the right, they are also in a different world and don’t care if you best them in games of rhetoric.
The people who updoot this type of rhetoric are already on your side. The people not on your side roll their eyes at this bullshit, and until you get that through your collective skulls on the Terminally Online Left, we will continue to lose young men to fascist rhetoric that tells them to stop worrying about thinking with their heads and points an enemy at them. You are still spinning your wheels imagining we’re going to form the “perfect argument” that turns everyone around. At least I think that’s what you’re saying, I asked what your strategy would be to turn things around, you didn’t give one, you tried to turn it around on me saying that there’s no “representation” proving that it’s easy to turn people.
Bro, it’s so easy to turn people that people have been fucking turned nazi because we’re all here pondering theory and culture behind isolated cultural lines. Have you spent any time in a conservative hangout? Have you lived around rednecks and working class people? Do you have ANY idea what goes on in their minds? And yet you think you know how to change them? Give them a new story, one by one, each of them, get to know them, talk to them, listen to them, and turn them against the proper target and STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, WE’RE ALL GOING TO FUCKING DIE.
It’s like being in a dream where you are trying to shake people into becoming aware it’s a dream and they just stare like zombies. Smuggest fucking intellectuals in line for the gas chambers, all of you. I’m out.
I was waiting on your to throw a temper tantrum, declare I’m not being serious, and announce your departure. That’s what always happens when people like you can’t back up your claims.
Well I was trying to figure out a metaphor you would be able to comprehend- I’ve already spelled out my position in clear an unambiguous language and you keep ignoring it. Apparently analogies go over your head as well. I tried at least.
I bet you can’t or won’t specify what those things are. Believe it or don’t but typically the people you interact with online have living, breathing human beings on the other end. We are just as ‘real’ as Joe Dirt or whoever you are supposedly interacting with.
You can’t debate them because they are immune to logic or the ability to feel compassion or shame for their hypocrisy. Perhaps if you had actually read my comment instead of skimming it you might understand that I have no interest whatsoever in attempting to win over the ‘right’. Nazi’s are going to Nazi. They NEVER were going to be our allies or fight against the ruling class and if you think even for one second they can or ever would be you are an incredible fool.
It’s not ‘rhetoric’ homie- that is the literal definition and has been since the early 20th century when Leadbelly started singing about staying woke.
How in the actual living fuck are you planning on turning bigots against capitalists without waking them up to the fact that Capitalists are their oppressors? Are you planning on tricking them somehow? You keep dodging the question, how do you actually expect to accomplish an anti capitalist revolution without the left? I’d REALLY love to hear this plan.
And for the fifth time, I am not. If someone is against equality they are not an ally in any way and will be useless for fighting a class war in any capacity. We might be able to get some of the ‘centrists’ and ‘non political’ people who aren’t absolute ghouls on our side through education- but he time for that is quickly passing. The battle lines are being drawn. If you are going to stand with the anti-woke crowd and expect leftists to work with you I believe you are sorely mistaken
Because there isn’t one. I can’t force people to have compassion and neither can you (not that you would even attempt it), it’s something people have to choose for themselves.
I didn’t TRY. I was successful. You can’t point to a single person in real life trying the strategy you seem to think is obvious- because those people simply do not exist. I’m not sure what your damage is- but you are delusional.
Son I was born and raised Indiana- one of the most ass backwards redneck states in the Union. Not only have I ‘lived around’ working class people my entire life- I am the working poor. My dad was working poor. My grandpa was working poor. My entire family line going back for generations have been. And Yes I have intimate knowledge of how and what they think. I know the shit they won’t say on Fox News. They hate Black folks. They hate immigrants. They hate gay people. They hate anyone that doesn’t look and behave like they do. They think women should mind their men and defer to them as if they were children.They are willing to vote against their best interests in order to go back to a time when America was ruled by people like them. When women and minorities ‘knew their place’. When America was “Great”. If YOU actually spent time around working class rednecks you would already know this shit.
You were already out. The only thing you have said this entire conversation that is even remotely leftist is that we should have class warfare against the ruling class. That’s a start but it’s the bare minimum to participate. You are showing up to the ball game in a business suit and a basketball. It seems to me like you are a moderate or conservative who recently ‘woke’ (in the actual sense of the term) to fact that Capitalism is bad actually. If you aren’t on board with equality. If you don’t fight for a classless society- you aren’t a leftist and you were never on my side to start with.