You’re trying to argue other issues. They distract from a clear, easy question. I suspect I know why you’re trying to avoid the question.
Either you think civilians who want to leave a warzone should be able to, or you don’t.
You can try and muddy this very simple question with “what about those who stay”, or whether bombing the people who just targeted and murdered over a thousand civilians is legitimate or not, or whether their collective punishment is a war crime, even. I personally believe that it is absolutely a warcrime for Israel to inflict collective punishment… it doesn’t matter with respect to the one simple question: should civilians who want to leave be able to.
Debating all that is a mess and already happening in lots of threads and forums everywhere. And should be in another thread.
All I’ve claimed is that civilians should be able to leave a warzone. Anyone arguing against that absolutely has an agenda and one that they’re happy watching babies and civilians die for. Fuck them.
Yes, civilians who want to leave should be able to. Does that change the reality of the situation? Does that make Egyptians willing to take in 2 million refugees because Israel is breaking international law? Does that save the lives of those who stay? Does that eradicate Hamas? Does that resolve the conflict equitably?
Spare me with your “agenda” accusations.
bombing the people who just targeted and murdered over a thousand civilians is legitimate or not
Bombing over 2000 children (so far) is not morally ambiguous. It’s never justified. There are other means. If you don’t believe that is the case then I urge you to reassess how you value the lives on each side of this conflict.
You’re trying to argue other issues. They distract from a clear, easy question. I suspect I know why you’re trying to avoid the question.
Either you think civilians who want to leave a warzone should be able to, or you don’t.
You can try and muddy this very simple question with “what about those who stay”, or whether bombing the people who just targeted and murdered over a thousand civilians is legitimate or not, or whether their collective punishment is a war crime, even. I personally believe that it is absolutely a warcrime for Israel to inflict collective punishment… it doesn’t matter with respect to the one simple question: should civilians who want to leave be able to.
Debating all that is a mess and already happening in lots of threads and forums everywhere. And should be in another thread.
All I’ve claimed is that civilians should be able to leave a warzone. Anyone arguing against that absolutely has an agenda and one that they’re happy watching babies and civilians die for. Fuck them.
Yes, civilians who want to leave should be able to. Does that change the reality of the situation? Does that make Egyptians willing to take in 2 million refugees because Israel is breaking international law? Does that save the lives of those who stay? Does that eradicate Hamas? Does that resolve the conflict equitably?
Spare me with your “agenda” accusations.
Bombing over 2000 children (so far) is not morally ambiguous. It’s never justified. There are other means. If you don’t believe that is the case then I urge you to reassess how you value the lives on each side of this conflict.
I am glad you agree they should be able to seek asylum if they want to. That’s all I’ve said the entire time.
The rest is just a distraction from earlier disagreement on that point. It’s good you’ve changed your mind.
Start a thread for any of the other stuff, and we can discuss it.