Ironically though, exactly what you’re saying is the right way to treat vaccines is how they have been treated. Lol
Want to send your kids to school? Vaccinate them. Or home school them, your choice. Kinda funny that you wrote all these paragraphs getting all worked up about this when at the end of it all, the precise thing you seem to want is already a reality. No one was ever forced to be vaccinated unless they made a choice that required it.
You’re working way too hard to defend your “friend’s” weird attitude on vaccines. Just either let it go or acknowledge that there is at least some contradiction of beliefs there.
So why am I only left with accepting the two options you are giving me when I’ve explained you can fully support and trust vaccines while also not supporting or trusting your government’s ability to always mandate or ban things that would create new precedence which are the duct tape holding this 250 year old governing framework still together.
Trump mandates vaccines in his 1st term of an alternate reality. Biden wins. Trump part deux takes office after Biden, appoints a random crackhead who hunts bears deep in the thickets of Bronx and Queens. Now this mother fucker has legislative precedence to pass medical mandates.
This country is built on our government getting their foot in the door under a veil of good intentions but always ends up evicting and squatting in whatever door they had their foot in. What’s the longest streak youve ever seen of any political party holding subsequent terms in office and congressional control to where you are comfortable saying you do not fear it getting all fucked up the first chance Republicans get at fucking it up.
Anyone who says they were aware of the power the patriot act was giving to our government is a bold face liar. That shit passed all the way unilaterally without so much as a peep (I think iirc I dont think it was an executive order but ill have to look it up).
Last example is to ask how many democratic politicians who applauded the ACA forgot to mention that they allowed clauses that would allow states to decide if they want to drop coverage for citizens whenever congress decides to reduce its Medicaid funding? Did they all assume it’d never happen? Am I supposed trust every proposed legislation at face value and trust that no proposed legislation will ever have hidden clauses? (that isnt meant to come accross as implying I disagree with ACA, im type 1 diabetic who relies on it but cant think of a way to word this so it sounds more supportive without this added context)
Edit: do you not see the Streisand effect in real time? Each argument either of us provide isnt getting the other person any closer to conceding and if anything is causing me to get more and more defensive of opinions i basically started by relaying from hearsay after being curious but have now gotten to the point where I sound like im full on defending my own personal stake in this discussion like their my own opinions.
That’s not what the Streisand effect is and I’m not trying to convince you of anything. You’re just bringing up shit that has no relationship whatsoever with this topic, not even if I choose to try and salvage the botched analogies you’re looking to make.
You sure as hell aren’t gonna convince me that a vague feeling of government bad somehow sensibly overrides a scientific understanding of how vaccines work. Put simply it’s obviously a lack of scientific understanding combined with selfishness. That’s all it ever could be, just like every other libertarian kind of worldview.
Would be best not to continue this exchange. I prefer not to block people.
Really, thats not what the Streisand effect means? So you cant make the leap from a definition specific to withholding information causing the opposite effects than what was originally intended to my use of the Streisand effect as a psychological reactance metaphor for how people respond to finding out they are having options withheld from them in place of information? Shit I admit I called out your shitty reading comprehension as a response to you calling me deranged before I even saw this comment. But fuck me this comment im replying to really puts your reading comprehension bug front and center and calls it a feature🤣
I mean for fucks sake you are still held on to my opinion being that im anti vax. So I guess you won. Ill throw in the towel cuz I cant put any more effort into explaining something to a person who admittedly isnt willing to put any effort into understanding what is even being discussed and refuses to engage in any way that isnt an insult followed by an admittance of not putting any effort into reading anything their provided with.
Ironically though, exactly what you’re saying is the right way to treat vaccines is how they have been treated. Lol
Want to send your kids to school? Vaccinate them. Or home school them, your choice. Kinda funny that you wrote all these paragraphs getting all worked up about this when at the end of it all, the precise thing you seem to want is already a reality. No one was ever forced to be vaccinated unless they made a choice that required it.
You’re working way too hard to defend your “friend’s” weird attitude on vaccines. Just either let it go or acknowledge that there is at least some contradiction of beliefs there.
So why am I only left with accepting the two options you are giving me when I’ve explained you can fully support and trust vaccines while also not supporting or trusting your government’s ability to always mandate or ban things that would create new precedence which are the duct tape holding this 250 year old governing framework still together.
Trump mandates vaccines in his 1st term of an alternate reality. Biden wins. Trump part deux takes office after Biden, appoints a random crackhead who hunts bears deep in the thickets of Bronx and Queens. Now this mother fucker has legislative precedence to pass medical mandates.
This country is built on our government getting their foot in the door under a veil of good intentions but always ends up evicting and squatting in whatever door they had their foot in. What’s the longest streak youve ever seen of any political party holding subsequent terms in office and congressional control to where you are comfortable saying you do not fear it getting all fucked up the first chance Republicans get at fucking it up.
Anyone who says they were aware of the power the patriot act was giving to our government is a bold face liar. That shit passed all the way unilaterally without so much as a peep (I think iirc I dont think it was an executive order but ill have to look it up).
Last example is to ask how many democratic politicians who applauded the ACA forgot to mention that they allowed clauses that would allow states to decide if they want to drop coverage for citizens whenever congress decides to reduce its Medicaid funding? Did they all assume it’d never happen? Am I supposed trust every proposed legislation at face value and trust that no proposed legislation will ever have hidden clauses? (that isnt meant to come accross as implying I disagree with ACA, im type 1 diabetic who relies on it but cant think of a way to word this so it sounds more supportive without this added context)
Edit: do you not see the Streisand effect in real time? Each argument either of us provide isnt getting the other person any closer to conceding and if anything is causing me to get more and more defensive of opinions i basically started by relaying from hearsay after being curious but have now gotten to the point where I sound like im full on defending my own personal stake in this discussion like their my own opinions.
That’s not what the Streisand effect is and I’m not trying to convince you of anything. You’re just bringing up shit that has no relationship whatsoever with this topic, not even if I choose to try and salvage the botched analogies you’re looking to make.
You sure as hell aren’t gonna convince me that a vague feeling of government bad somehow sensibly overrides a scientific understanding of how vaccines work. Put simply it’s obviously a lack of scientific understanding combined with selfishness. That’s all it ever could be, just like every other libertarian kind of worldview.
Would be best not to continue this exchange. I prefer not to block people.
Really, thats not what the Streisand effect means? So you cant make the leap from a definition specific to withholding information causing the opposite effects than what was originally intended to my use of the Streisand effect as a psychological reactance metaphor for how people respond to finding out they are having options withheld from them in place of information? Shit I admit I called out your shitty reading comprehension as a response to you calling me deranged before I even saw this comment. But fuck me this comment im replying to really puts your reading comprehension bug front and center and calls it a feature🤣
I mean for fucks sake you are still held on to my opinion being that im anti vax. So I guess you won. Ill throw in the towel cuz I cant put any more effort into explaining something to a person who admittedly isnt willing to put any effort into understanding what is even being discussed and refuses to engage in any way that isnt an insult followed by an admittance of not putting any effort into reading anything their provided with.
Not reading this drivel either. I’m guessing you get blocked here a lot.