• Nobody@lemmy.world
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    They either deliberately targeted a journalists’ kids and family or indiscriminate bombing of the “safe zones” in the south were so thorough that they hit his family along with everyone else. The first is terrible, but the second is horrifying.

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      Pretty sure it’s the second one. They’re not even pretending to target Hamas anymore, they consider anywhere in Gaza a valid target. I don’t think they’re going to stop until every building in Gaza has been leveled, and I bet the US and UN will just wag their finger and do nothing, if they even do that.

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        I think honestly that in part you’re right. I think on the 7th Hamas gave Bibi’ his wish and he knew he could completely remove Gaza likely before being arrested for his warcrimes. It’s horrific and I hope he especially faces the charges in the ICC and then later enjoys burning in hell.

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          Bibi gave Bibi bibi’s wish. In about 30 years when the full story is out and after gaza is abandoned by Palestine for being wholely unlivable we will almost certainly find Israeli money in hamas pockets that was funneled through iran by third parties.

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            Hamas came to power, really came to power by working with Bibi who was trying to unseat Perez. A two state solution looked very likely, and Perez and Arafat could have made it happen. Perez was in the lead, and Israel was still backing the two state solution.

            At that time, Hamas waged a campaign of suicide bombings and bombed buses full of civilians. This delivered a less than 1% victory margin to Bibi, who would have lost otherwise. Arafat helped Hamas by not cracking down on them as Israel was asking (bc it was politically unpopular with the Palestinians), and inadvertently helped them get rid of Perez, the two state solution, and ironically himself from leadership. Bibi exists because Hamas wanted him there and theyve been bedfellows ever since.

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      Third, and I am NOT claiming this is the case but it is a possibility, is that Hamas was operating where his family was and successfully added another PR story by using them as shields.

      Repeat I’m NOT claiming this is the case, but if you’re debating possibilities, that is one of them as well.

      Disclaimer: Bombing civilians is a war crime, I condem the IDF for it and hope that trials happen in the ICC. Intentionally targeting civilians is literally one of the defined war crimes. I do not support what happened here. I also condemn Hamas for hiding among and intentionally using a civilian population as shields which is also a war crime.

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        Creating a safe zone, telling everybody to move to it, and then bombing targets there anyway isn’t a great look

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          Its more than bad optics, it’s an outright egregious war crime, and those responsible need to be held accountable at the ICC.

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        Israel is not a member of the ICC, so even if there are trials they won’t have jurisdiction, meaning that it would be rather symbolic ruling with very little impact.

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          The pro hamas lovers here hate objectivity and reason. But negative magic internet points is a non-issue compared to standing up to these monsters.

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    How many war crimes can Israel commit while our western leaders continue to stroke them? This is another fucking war crime. The families of journalists are not valid threats or targets.

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      At an international political level, the answer is all the war crimes. Most countries don’t care enough to invade a different country, because of internal war crimes.

      The best you can hope for is the threshold for economic sanctions. Which basically means you have to be unpopular with the Western political powers. Israel is very popular with the Western political powers.

      We are unlikely to see any significant change in the treatment of war crimes here, until popular opinion in the US political sphere, Congress basically, starts to impact military support, economic support, and maybe even some sanctions.

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      Neither Bibi nor Hamas care about war crimes, in fact their power is derived from them. Giving up committing war crimes for Hamas or Bibi would be equivalent to giving up all of their power.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    An Al Jazeera correspondent is mourning the loss of his entire immediate family after they were killed in an Israeli airstrike in Gaza, the Qatar-based network said in a statement.

    In a statement, Dahdouh’s employer, Al Jazeera, said: “Their home was targeted in the Nuseirat camp in the centre of Gaza, where they had sought refuge after being displaced by the initial bombardment in their neighborhood, following Prime Minister Netanyahu’s call for all civilians to move south.

    “The network strongly condemns the indiscriminate targeting and killing of innocent civilians in Gaza, which has led to the loss of Wael al-Dahdouh’s family and countless others.”

    Footage broadcast by Al Jazeera showed al-Dahdouh crying as he saw his family’s bodies in the morgue of Al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital in Deir al-Balah.

    The US last week vetoed a draft UN security council resolution calling for a “humanitarian pause”, since it did not explicitly allow for Israel’s self-defense.

    On Wednesday, the UN’s main agency in Gaza warned that relief efforts would be forced to stop unless fuel supplies could reach the besieged territory, as the UK organization Oxfam accused Israel of using starvation as a weapon of war against Gaza civilians, saying the territory was receiving just 2% of its usual supply of food.


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