What a stupid comment. Just showing up to a protest is far more than most people do. Do you think the No Kings protest would have had so much coverage if only 100 people went to it?
My state leaders continue to speak up and do what they can, from representatives to governor to attorney general. Colleges in my state that have been attacked continue to resist. Any attempts at ICE raids are followed by protesters Maybe our protests get ignored by the regime but if it encourages our state politicians to continue acting in our interest, then it makes a difference.
My state leaders continue to speak up and do what they can, from representatives to governor to attorney general
Have they, though?
I mean, I’ve yet to hear about any city ordering their police to arrest any and all federal agents attempting to affect an arrest… I’ve also not heard of any governor activating their national guard forces to defend against the federal invasion…
These are direct, material things in their power, they refuse to do.
They seem to disagree that it’s in their power. However local law enforcement is not allowed to assist in any way and state facilities are not allowed to provide detention space. At the very least it slows them down and makes them spend more money to do less
National guard troops are in a conflict of interest between two masters plus aren’t usually appropriate, plus how does it help anyone to turn that violent?
My state and several cities are among those who increased their legal budget and have successfully sued over illegal orders. It doesn’t make the headlines but several illegal orders have eventually been halted by courts. Successfully.
My city councillor was roughed up during an earlier raid by masked thugs, and while there may have been no visible consequences, the raids did stop locally
My state attorney general is successfully defending doctors from extradition and personal liability for providing reproductive care to women in undeveloped states.
Harvard is putting its money where its mouth is instead of capitulating like Columbia did. When the regime tried to block foreign student visas, that was successfully invalidated by the courts. Most of the blocked research grants have also been restored.
This is a variation of T.A.C.O and needs to be more public - the regime may have issued illegal orders and tried to make it so, but backed down when challenged.
You would totally be fighting back yourself though - all dirty-Harry like. Man it’s just those lazy people on the TV not doing what you’re shooting at then to do!
Too bad you don’t live here though.You’d show them!
I see what you’re about and agree. But there is absolutely nothing you can do to give this crowd the kick in the ass they need. They still wholeheatedly believe they’ll vote out fascism. Something that has happened a grand total of 0 times throughout history. Your time is wasted on these people. Republicans said “The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be”, and these people are giving them everything they ever wanted, by letting it be bloodless, because they can’t fathom how fucking terrifying fascism is.
would you rather get nothing? because most people aren’t willing to risk their livelihood for this and the first step of action is centralization! get people talking, learn how to help.
This made me lol. You’re literally THE most terminally online power mod on Lemmy. You, of all people, advocating for dangerous or violent protests is highly ironic considering how the chances of you leaving the comfort of your house in general, let alone going to any protest, are slim to none.
Not advocating for dangerous and violent protests, as always I advocate AGAINST ineffective protests, and protests in blue states only serve one purpose… virtue signaling.
You want a protest to be effective? Take it to where it counts. Red states. D.C. Those are the minds you need to change, not your garden variety blue voters who already agree with you.
Oh, no violence, but the people who need to change their opinions aren’t in blue cities or blue states.
Unhappy with the Feds? Take it to DC and shut DC down for a month. Protesting in LA, SF, Portland, Seattle does nothing as everyone there is already on your side.
The people who need to see the protests don’t give two shits about what blue cities and states think.
Protesting in blue areas can achieve something, but only if it’s actually disruptive. For example you can force your elected officials to take a hardline approach to Trump rather than capitulate.
They can obstruct and/or oppose Trump in their own jurisdictions. There are options, everything from withholding federal taxes to enforcing state law on ICE (like Pritzker is threatening to do) to having local National Guard units defend immigrant neighborhoods. In the worst case scenario, forbid ICE from entering the state and shoot them if they do. At the very fucking least this shouldn’t be happening.
I live in a red state, and I plan to be at my local protest. But I take offense to the idea that protests in blue states are somehow too “safe” or not worth the time. The shit that has gone down at protests in Los Angeles should counter that notion pretty handily.
Honestly, the protests I’ve been to in my red state were way safer than the ones in LA, with way less push back from law enforcement. Probably helps that ICE isn’t operating in my city either.
Oh, no, I personally agree with it and I’d make it a rule if it weren’t already. We aren’t going to be liable for some jack off who wants to burn everything down.
Lemmy (.world) wouldn’t be liable. Lemmy wouldn’t be shut down. Nothing would happen. Also, the idea that a person who wants to fight back against fascism must want to burn everything down is very ignorant. People like you are the problem, people like you are the reason nothing ever gets beyond a “protest.” “Oh no, if we let them have an inch, they’re gonna burn the world down!!!”
Why? The users are here. And moderation on Lemmy is more annoyance than anything. It’s not like you can actually stop someone for more than a few minutes.
If you’re not showing up prepared to get arrested, you’re just doing a parade.
I’m sure this will give everyone a nice chance to pat themselves on the back for pretending to do something, though.
Agreed.
I mean, they kind of have a point.
If you’re not showing up prepared
to get arrestedto fight, you’re just doing a parade.There, FTFY.
Do you really mean it when you say you don’t want no king in the USA? Because that’s what Trump is acting like.
Yeah, that’s the point of these protests.
Good! I’m rooting for you
What a stupid comment. Just showing up to a protest is far more than most people do. Do you think the No Kings protest would have had so much coverage if only 100 people went to it?
hear hear.
I was helping organize a lot of these in my city since February, but honestly nothing of value has changed. We need to take the Malcolm X approach.
My state leaders continue to speak up and do what they can, from representatives to governor to attorney general. Colleges in my state that have been attacked continue to resist. Any attempts at ICE raids are followed by protesters Maybe our protests get ignored by the regime but if it encourages our state politicians to continue acting in our interest, then it makes a difference.
Have they, though?
I mean, I’ve yet to hear about any city ordering their police to arrest any and all federal agents attempting to affect an arrest… I’ve also not heard of any governor activating their national guard forces to defend against the federal invasion…
These are direct, material things in their power, they refuse to do.
They seem to disagree that it’s in their power. However local law enforcement is not allowed to assist in any way and state facilities are not allowed to provide detention space. At the very least it slows them down and makes them spend more money to do less
National guard troops are in a conflict of interest between two masters plus aren’t usually appropriate, plus how does it help anyone to turn that violent?
My state and several cities are among those who increased their legal budget and have successfully sued over illegal orders. It doesn’t make the headlines but several illegal orders have eventually been halted by courts. Successfully.
My city councillor was roughed up during an earlier raid by masked thugs, and while there may have been no visible consequences, the raids did stop locally
My state attorney general is successfully defending doctors from extradition and personal liability for providing reproductive care to women in undeveloped states.
Harvard is putting its money where its mouth is instead of capitulating like Columbia did. When the regime tried to block foreign student visas, that was successfully invalidated by the courts. Most of the blocked research grants have also been restored.
This is a variation of T.A.C.O and needs to be more public - the regime may have issued illegal orders and tried to make it so, but backed down when challenged.
A few protests change nothing but it does help organize and network. Many people have no connection to their community and this is that chance
Protesting is the first step towards change, not the last. Hopefully the movement can gain enough momentum for a general strike or something.
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So what have you done then?
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Always the guy living thousands of miles away criticizing others for not risking their lives.
Your lives are already at risk. That you don’t see that makes clear that you are FAR too comfortable.
You would totally be fighting back yourself though - all dirty-Harry like. Man it’s just those lazy people on the TV not doing what you’re shooting at then to do!
Too bad you don’t live here though.You’d show them!
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Sure.
Going out to vote is a better idea.
But then again, republican gerrymandering makes your vote pretty much cast into the void.
The master’s house can never be dismantled with the master’s tools.
lmfao
Going … out to vote.
You really don’t have a clue what’s happening to your country, do you?
I see what you’re about and agree. But there is absolutely nothing you can do to give this crowd the kick in the ass they need. They still wholeheatedly believe they’ll vote out fascism. Something that has happened a grand total of 0 times throughout history. Your time is wasted on these people. Republicans said “The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be”, and these people are giving them everything they ever wanted, by letting it be bloodless, because they can’t fathom how fucking terrifying fascism is.
Bold of you to assume it is.
would you rather get nothing? because most people aren’t willing to risk their livelihood for this and the first step of action is centralization! get people talking, learn how to help.
I always take comments like these to be akin to the rapist saying there is no point in struggling.
You already have nothing.
Okay then chill in the back and be super smug from the couch or whatever, nerd.
RTFA
I tend to agree, protesting in blue cities and states is preaching to the choir and achieves nothing. Take that to DC or your closest red state.
Safe protesting is not protesting.
This made me lol. You’re literally THE most terminally online power mod on Lemmy. You, of all people, advocating for dangerous or violent protests is highly ironic considering how the chances of you leaving the comfort of your house in general, let alone going to any protest, are slim to none.
Not advocating for dangerous and violent protests, as always I advocate AGAINST ineffective protests, and protests in blue states only serve one purpose… virtue signaling.
You want a protest to be effective? Take it to where it counts. Red states. D.C. Those are the minds you need to change, not your garden variety blue voters who already agree with you.
I’ve been very happy with my blue politicians responses and if this encourages them I’m all for it.
Not sure what you’re expecting - violence can easily be counter-productive, especially in areas where police are sympathetic
Oh, no violence, but the people who need to change their opinions aren’t in blue cities or blue states.
Unhappy with the Feds? Take it to DC and shut DC down for a month. Protesting in LA, SF, Portland, Seattle does nothing as everyone there is already on your side.
The people who need to see the protests don’t give two shits about what blue cities and states think.
Protesting in blue areas can achieve something, but only if it’s actually disruptive. For example you can force your elected officials to take a hardline approach to Trump rather than capitulate.
Local officials have no power over Trump, and Democratic Congressmen and Senators have no power over Trump due to being in the minority.
So you’re protesting people who a) agree with you and b) can literally do nothing.
So, again, protesting in blue cities and states is entirely performative. “At least I did something!”
They can obstruct and/or oppose Trump in their own jurisdictions. There are options, everything from withholding federal taxes to enforcing state law on ICE (like Pritzker is threatening to do) to having local National Guard units defend immigrant neighborhoods. In the worst case scenario, forbid ICE from entering the state and shoot them if they do. At the very fucking least this shouldn’t be happening.
I live in a red state, and I plan to be at my local protest. But I take offense to the idea that protests in blue states are somehow too “safe” or not worth the time. The shit that has gone down at protests in Los Angeles should counter that notion pretty handily.
Honestly, the protests I’ve been to in my red state were way safer than the ones in LA, with way less push back from law enforcement. Probably helps that ICE isn’t operating in my city either.
Says the mod who has no problem shutting down all talk of anything beyond peaceful protesting.
Just doing your job, lol.
You are not going to use our platform to organize violence. That isn’t my rule, it’s instance rules.
Just a cog in the machine, eh? Just the middle man.
Oh, no, I personally agree with it and I’d make it a rule if it weren’t already. We aren’t going to be liable for some jack off who wants to burn everything down.
Lemmy (.world) wouldn’t be liable. Lemmy wouldn’t be shut down. Nothing would happen. Also, the idea that a person who wants to fight back against fascism must want to burn everything down is very ignorant. People like you are the problem, people like you are the reason nothing ever gets beyond a “protest.” “Oh no, if we let them have an inch, they’re gonna burn the world down!!!”
Screw you, Jordan Lund.
The comments/posts removed were inciting violence and that is 100% not allowed. Don’t like it? Go make your own platform.
Why? The users are here. And moderation on Lemmy is more annoyance than anything. It’s not like you can actually stop someone for more than a few minutes.
Lol, bold words from someone apparently unwilling to host that content themselves.
Let’s see: @Illecors@lemmy.cafe – are you fine with users using your instance to organize violence?
No, I’m not
lol, I see what you’re doing. Clever.
Yeah, no one should stick their necks out. Fall in line and everything will be okay.
Oh look another mouthy user who’s happy to put the risk on their admin instead of taking it themselves.
Big words.