Used enterprise drives and a SAS controller. Last batch of SAS drives I bought were 16TB for $115 each.
Unraid (and I think ZFS and Ceph as well) supports adding drives 1-by-1 and different sized drives to your array.
You can just buy single drives or spares whenever a sale comes around to keep expanding your storage.
Trick is to buy used disks. My entire raid pool is cobbled together from large-ish drives that got pulled from commercial servers and sold off on the cheap. Last set i bought was 3x14tb for $400.
The Standard Plan for Nextflix is about 216 bucks a year. A new 10gb HDD runs around $200. Less if you look for deals and/or go for refurbished. But a total of 20tb of storage would be equivalent to two years of Netflix without ads if paying for brand new drives and not looking for deals.
I made do with a bit over 2 Tb for a bit over 15 years.
But earlier this year I bought two 3 Tb drives, and they’re a bit more expensive here in Denmark due to 25% VAT, so it was 648 DKK per drive (or $101 USD / €87 EUR). And I’m on the lowest income you can get here.
So it is possible to upgrade every now and then, and I’m very happy I’m now on 6 Tb storage (+ 2 Tb NVMe main drive, though not for storage).
I imagine if I had a job in IT, I’d be swimming in it, I’d probably have nerded out on a NAS, though even now I don’t see what I’d need it for.
You don’t even need to get new drives to begin, just use what you probably already have lying around, old external hard drives. Use a RAID and swap drives as they fail.
If you’re in india then my understanding is that IPTV is the most cost effective option by a large margin. I"ve never lived there but my family is scattered between Bangladesh and india and they all use IPTVs.
but I guess to answer your original question: regional pricing
Is Netflix 4k bitrate of comparable quality to uh, say a ripped bluray?
Does that Netflix sub have ads?
Genuine questions, I don’t know.
You could also try to factor in the uh, cost of internet and datacaps and all that.
Could probably save some money in the long run, though thats gonna vary a lot by location and use case and I guess income/wealth situation, household size, all that.
BluRays are obviously better. I was just saying that not subscribing to Netflix is America will save a lot more than not subscribing in India. But the storage cost is very similar.
No, that sub does not have ads. There is, however a mobile only, 480p, subscription too, for less than 3 USD.
Q1: They have a knowledge of how to use BitTorrent, or Usenet or somesuch, without being caught.
Q2: They don’t, the point of a library is having things in case you want or need them, or maybe somebody else does.
Q3: I guarantee you it takes less energy and carbon to set up and operate a relatively small local library than it does to operate a giant realtime global streaming enterprise, by probably multiple orders of magnitude.
Fuck, I could do this with a SteamDeck, external drives or something, and run it all on a home solar power / battery system you can get off the shelf.
Have you ever seen, like physically seen, a massive datacenter the size of an auto manufacturing planr, a high rise building that is 50% server racks by floor?
Just how many racks there, how much water and energy is used?
Also: You’re arguing here that feeding evil megacorps is somehow better for the environment, than starving them?
“Just in case I need it” is the principle of hoarding.
a large media library achieves a similar thing a subscription to on-demand streaming achieves: pick a film to watch, and you can immediately press play. there’s also a curation aspect. whenever one friend speaks highly of a film, i grab it. then once i have a larger group of friends over for movie night, we just peruse the library until we find something everyone’s in the right mood for. whatever we select from that library, i can be confident it’ll be received well: it’s already been vetted.
i mean it’s not that different from the original value proposition for Netflix, only it survives even after they turn off the money faucet.
If you are saying 330 movies is ‘hoarding’, I don’t know what to tell you.
When I grew up in the 90s, we had almost 50 VHS movies.
Wealthier friends of mine had up to or over 100 or 200.
Now what took a large shelfing unit or cabinet… fits into about the size of a brick.
Also… you are missing that digital data can be essentially instantly copied, duplicated, and shared with others.
You are also entirely discounting the idea that infrastructure could collapse, you are assuming that using it as we do now, will remain as relatively inexpensive as it is now, forever.
I am not so optimistic.
From that standpoint, it is less hoarding, as it is archiving.
I don’t think there’s a c/datahoarder. But that was exactly what the reddit community was called.
The person you’re arguing with is likely running a private ‘netflix’ instance using Jellyfin or Plex.
It’s not my cuppa, but I think I have every episode of every season of Below Deck, Love Island, and Bachelor/Bachelorette on my instance.
You start running out of space pretty quickly when a dozen people are using it for their daily media consumption.
On my own, I can somewhat regularly use 1tb of internet data in a month and I’m not even a data horder. I always keep a tv on in the background (which these days usually means streaming stuff). I also stream music pretty frequently.
Its not at all unrealistic these days for someone over the course of 2+ years to get 20tb of data all in one place. And if thats media that gets accessed frequently (like music) it probably saves bandwidth and energy storing it that way.
Music we listen to many times but it barely uses any space for today’s standards.
Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it.
And movies? There may be a few favourites we watch again and even if they were 4K wouldn’t use that much space. 20TB is space enough for 330 4K 2 hour movies! Or 10,000 1080P movies. Let’s say that your job is to watch movies 8 hours a day. That’s 4 movies per day, that’s 500 weeks to watch 10,000 movies. Or 10 years (if you take a two week vacation every year). And that’s without repeating.
Let’s say you have 100 favourite movies that you like to watch on demand on 4 K (really an exaggeration) you only need 6 TB.
It depends on the quality you’re looking for. Data hoarders often keep really really high quality files so they can convert it into whatever they want later on.
A 4k remux can range from ~30gb-80gb. That’s ~200 4k movies assuming most are around 50gb.
A 48khz .flac music album is ~500mb. That’s not alot but music makes sense to save locally, plenty of people just keep their music going all the time on shuffle.
Also
Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it
There is no point not storing it, you’re going to use the data either way, why not keep it? At the end of the day, you can get 20tb of storage for a reasonable amount of money, and typically the people with that kinda storage have accumulated it over the course of several years. You can always decide to get rid of stuff you don’t need if you find yourself low on space.
How do people have so much money to buy so much storage?
Used enterprise drives and a SAS controller. Last batch of SAS drives I bought were 16TB for $115 each.
Unraid (and I think ZFS and Ceph as well) supports adding drives 1-by-1 and different sized drives to your array. You can just buy single drives or spares whenever a sale comes around to keep expanding your storage.
You don’t need to buy it all at once.
Long-term planning is a pathway to many powers CEOs would call…unnatural.
They are not paying for all the streaming services
You can buy this amount each year or pay for Netflix 4k for the same year. HDDs are not that expensive.
Trick is to buy used disks. My entire raid pool is cobbled together from large-ish drives that got pulled from commercial servers and sold off on the cheap. Last set i bought was 3x14tb for $400.
The Standard Plan for Nextflix is about 216 bucks a year. A new 10gb HDD runs around $200. Less if you look for deals and/or go for refurbished. But a total of 20tb of storage would be equivalent to two years of Netflix without ads if paying for brand new drives and not looking for deals.
10 gb hdd for 200$? Dude I have a bridge to sell you :)
I have many multiple tb drives to sell them. As many as they want.
i got 18tb drives at £190 a few years ago, pretty much all streaming services are about £100 each a year.
Like $300? Plenty of foxes can afford that.
You don’t have to buy it all at once
I made do with a bit over 2 Tb for a bit over 15 years.
But earlier this year I bought two 3 Tb drives, and they’re a bit more expensive here in Denmark due to 25% VAT, so it was 648 DKK per drive (or $101 USD / €87 EUR). And I’m on the lowest income you can get here.
So it is possible to upgrade every now and then, and I’m very happy I’m now on 6 Tb storage (+ 2 Tb NVMe main drive, though not for storage).
I imagine if I had a job in IT, I’d be swimming in it, I’d probably have nerded out on a NAS, though even now I don’t see what I’d need it for.
4 x 5 TB internal HDDs costs roughly $500.
Thats roughly a Switch 2 or Steam Deck…
… or about $42 a month, for a year, of maybe what, 2 simultaneous subscription services?
You don’t even need to get new drives to begin, just use what you probably already have lying around, old external hard drives. Use a RAID and swap drives as they fail.
Netflix premium (4k) is like $7.35/month. But HDDs are not comparatively cheaper.
Uh idk where you got that but in the us market 7.99 gets you standard with ads, the 4k tier is 25 dollars a month.
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/24926/us
India has cheaper subscriptions. The lowest tier, 480p is 170 INR, which is about 3 USD.
If you’re in india then my understanding is that IPTV is the most cost effective option by a large margin. I"ve never lived there but my family is scattered between Bangladesh and india and they all use IPTVs.
but I guess to answer your original question: regional pricing
Is Netflix 4k bitrate of comparable quality to uh, say a ripped bluray?
Does that Netflix sub have ads?
Genuine questions, I don’t know.
You could also try to factor in the uh, cost of internet and datacaps and all that.
Could probably save some money in the long run, though thats gonna vary a lot by location and use case and I guess income/wealth situation, household size, all that.
BluRays are obviously better. I was just saying that not subscribing to Netflix is America will save a lot more than not subscribing in India. But the storage cost is very similar.
No, that sub does not have ads. There is, however a mobile only, 480p, subscription too, for less than 3 USD.
The real question is:
How do people have so much media to fill up those drives?
Followed by: how do people have so much time to watch that media?
Followed by: human driven climate change is real. How can people waste energy just to hoard media that they rarely ever see again?
I understand somehow if you are torrenting and contributing to the sharing ecosystem, but just hoarding?
Q1: They have a knowledge of how to use BitTorrent, or Usenet or somesuch, without being caught.
Q2: They don’t, the point of a library is having things in case you want or need them, or maybe somebody else does.
Q3: I guarantee you it takes less energy and carbon to set up and operate a relatively small local library than it does to operate a giant realtime global streaming enterprise, by probably multiple orders of magnitude.
Fuck, I could do this with a SteamDeck, external drives or something, and run it all on a home solar power / battery system you can get off the shelf.
Have you ever seen, like physically seen, a massive datacenter the size of an auto manufacturing planr, a high rise building that is 50% server racks by floor?
Just how many racks there, how much water and energy is used?
Also: You’re arguing here that feeding evil megacorps is somehow better for the environment, than starving them?
Really?
No, I’m trying to understand why someone would store so many pictures. 20TB is enough for 330 4K movies or 10,000 1080P movies.
“Just in case I need it” is the principle of hoarding.
a large media library achieves a similar thing a subscription to on-demand streaming achieves: pick a film to watch, and you can immediately press play. there’s also a curation aspect. whenever one friend speaks highly of a film, i grab it. then once i have a larger group of friends over for movie night, we just peruse the library until we find something everyone’s in the right mood for. whatever we select from that library, i can be confident it’ll be received well: it’s already been vetted.
i mean it’s not that different from the original value proposition for Netflix, only it survives even after they turn off the money faucet.
If you are saying 330 movies is ‘hoarding’, I don’t know what to tell you.
When I grew up in the 90s, we had almost 50 VHS movies.
Wealthier friends of mine had up to or over 100 or 200.
Now what took a large shelfing unit or cabinet… fits into about the size of a brick.
Also… you are missing that digital data can be essentially instantly copied, duplicated, and shared with others.
You are also entirely discounting the idea that infrastructure could collapse, you are assuming that using it as we do now, will remain as relatively inexpensive as it is now, forever.
I am not so optimistic.
From that standpoint, it is less hoarding, as it is archiving.
I don’t think there’s a c/datahoarder. But that was exactly what the reddit community was called.
The person you’re arguing with is likely running a private ‘netflix’ instance using Jellyfin or Plex. It’s not my cuppa, but I think I have every episode of every season of Below Deck, Love Island, and Bachelor/Bachelorette on my instance.
You start running out of space pretty quickly when a dozen people are using it for their daily media consumption.
On my own, I can somewhat regularly use 1tb of internet data in a month and I’m not even a data horder. I always keep a tv on in the background (which these days usually means streaming stuff). I also stream music pretty frequently.
Its not at all unrealistic these days for someone over the course of 2+ years to get 20tb of data all in one place. And if thats media that gets accessed frequently (like music) it probably saves bandwidth and energy storing it that way.
Music we listen to many times but it barely uses any space for today’s standards.
Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it.
And movies? There may be a few favourites we watch again and even if they were 4K wouldn’t use that much space. 20TB is space enough for 330 4K 2 hour movies! Or 10,000 1080P movies. Let’s say that your job is to watch movies 8 hours a day. That’s 4 movies per day, that’s 500 weeks to watch 10,000 movies. Or 10 years (if you take a two week vacation every year). And that’s without repeating.
Let’s say you have 100 favourite movies that you like to watch on demand on 4 K (really an exaggeration) you only need 6 TB.
Si, my question stands.
It depends on the quality you’re looking for. Data hoarders often keep really really high quality files so they can convert it into whatever they want later on.
A 4k remux can range from ~30gb-80gb. That’s ~200 4k movies assuming most are around 50gb.
A 48khz .flac music album is ~500mb. That’s not alot but music makes sense to save locally, plenty of people just keep their music going all the time on shuffle.
Also
There is no point not storing it, you’re going to use the data either way, why not keep it? At the end of the day, you can get 20tb of storage for a reasonable amount of money, and typically the people with that kinda storage have accumulated it over the course of several years. You can always decide to get rid of stuff you don’t need if you find yourself low on space.