• quick_snail@feddit.nl
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    8 hours ago

    Great! Because they’re in the best position to just walk into the white house and solve this problem

  • fakero@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Ok so how about refusing to follow illegal orders instead of continuing to enable the orange stain.

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      What illegal orders? This is a genuine question.

      I’m an Army veteran and my wife is active duty. I do not believe any of the orders that have been issued thus far are illegal. The deployment to DC is potentially on some shaky legal ground, but that rests with the president and needs to be sorted out in court. Individual troops have no reason to refuse deployment to DC and the actions they’ve performed there, as far am I’m aware, are within the bounds for legal orders.

      If one state deployed NG troops to another state, without the consent of the occupied state’s governor, that would be illegal. DC is a different situation because it can be under direct federal control and they have no national guard, as they do not have statehood.

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      Going and hanging out in DC is not an illegal order.

      Stirring resentment among the military is the absolute best route to making sure that when they start issuing actually illegal orders (which they are definitely planning to do), they won’t be followed. The fascism isn’t good, but the fact that is has this particular footshooting nature is pretty excellent. Also, the people doing stuff like setting up loudspeakers in DC to play Gen. Milley’s speech about Trump, dictators, and the role of the military in a free democracy are doing the good lord’s work in every single way.

      Also, I’m pretty skeptical that this is accidental. All kinds of convenient little accidents start happening when people start strongly resenting the position they’re being put in and there are easy things they can do to spread the word.

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Unfortunately vast swaths of the justice system are in the Heritage Foundations pocket and can and will make those soldier’s lives an absolute living hell while they’re trying to fight and prove it was an illegal order.

      Remember, the system was built to defer to power (like how the words of police are always considered trusted and of the highest quality by courts) and to only allow those with infinite amounts of money to be able to appeal obviously bad decisions. While waiting on justice, they may spend years inside a cell for refusing to follow a legal order.

      Unless it happens en masse with the majority of the Guard doing it all at the same time, the first individuals who choose to say no will suffer greatly.

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      They refused to deploy to Chicago because force projections included losses on their side.

      That’s about as close as you’re going to get.