Luz shares her apartment with her husband, also from Mexico and also undocumented. They met in America. He works in a bar. They have a young daughter who was born in America and is therefore a US citizen.
Who cares how they get here? They came seeking a better life. I would rather have more people like that, than elitist pigs who feel entitled to America, and we should all get their permission to live our lives.
No one is entitled to go anywhere they want whenever they want, anywhere on earth. Why would or should the United States be any different? The only people entitled to any country are the citizens of that country.
The reason someone would care about this is because society is maintained by rule of law.
Another reason is that we do not live in a post scarcity utopia, and resources are not unlimited.
I know it’s not the same, but do you support China sending immigrants to Tibet and annexing the country? How about the rest of their neighbors and the South China Sea? What about Russia doing the same in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea?
If national autonomy is something to be respected then border laws and immigration laws have to be as well. If you only agree with those things only for non-wealthy countries like the US and EU members, which I suspect might be the case, I would call that biased and hypocritical.
Ah yes, if one side is violating the rule of law then we can just throw laws out the window and do whatever we want. Always bring yourself down to their level, that’s how you win.
“But the alcoholic neighbor’s kids down the street are allowed to smoke and skip middle school, so why can’t I mom?”.
I find it really interesting how poor people committing minor crimes is so often talked about in terms of the rule of law while rich people are committing felonies in broad daylight and the government is violating the Constitution on the daily. But sure, persons unauthorized to be here are here, I don’t mind that ICE is detaining legal immigrants and citizens in violent raids. It’s the people overstaying their visas and jumping the border that I’m more concerned about.
I don’t mind that ICE is detaining legal immigrants and citizens in violent raids. It’s the people overstaying their visas and jumping the border that I’m more concerned about.
Both things can be true, this is not a zero sum between open borders and masked ICE agents abducting people.
I sincerely wish all the white collar crime and shit would get more press, especially since wage theft surpasses property crime every year. I won’t stop caring about property crime because there are bigger fish out there.
I heartily disagree with how ICE is currently operating and how legal status is being removed from people to get more “low hanging fruit” to inflate numbers. Obama managed to deport millions of illegal immigrants without the theatrics, or destruction of reputation for the department so we know it can be done.
This doesn’t mean that I cannot or should not also be concerned about illegal immigration or that I should support jumping the border or overstaying visas.
That’s great. In theory I believe people who violate the law should be handled in a safe and sane manner as well. We need to do some serious work updating the laws and procedures regarding immigrating to this country. They are archaic and cruel. I will not be made to fear people who simply come here for a better life, who provide vital labor, and who are less likely to commit violent crime than people who were born here. As long as a law separates families, keeps people in inhumane conditions, or puts literal children before a judge without counsel or so much as an interpreter I am against that law in its entirety.
No one is entitled to go anywhere they want whenever they want, anywhere on earth. Why would or should the United States be any different? The only people entitled to any country are the citizens of that country.
The reason someone would care about this is because society is maintained by rule of law.
Another reason is that we do not live in a post scarcity utopia, and resources are not unlimited.
I know it’s not the same, but do you support China sending immigrants to Tibet and annexing the country? How about the rest of their neighbors and the South China Sea? What about Russia doing the same in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea?
If national autonomy is something to be respected then border laws and immigration laws have to be as well. If you only agree with those things only for non-wealthy countries like the US and EU members, which I suspect might be the case, I would call that biased and hypocritical.
This country doesn’t give two shits about the rule of law anymore, look at our president
Ah yes, if one side is violating the rule of law then we can just throw laws out the window and do whatever we want. Always bring yourself down to their level, that’s how you win.
“But the alcoholic neighbor’s kids down the street are allowed to smoke and skip middle school, so why can’t I mom?”.
I find it really interesting how poor people committing minor crimes is so often talked about in terms of the rule of law while rich people are committing felonies in broad daylight and the government is violating the Constitution on the daily. But sure, persons unauthorized to be here are here, I don’t mind that ICE is detaining legal immigrants and citizens in violent raids. It’s the people overstaying their visas and jumping the border that I’m more concerned about.
Both things can be true, this is not a zero sum between open borders and masked ICE agents abducting people.
I sincerely wish all the white collar crime and shit would get more press, especially since wage theft surpasses property crime every year. I won’t stop caring about property crime because there are bigger fish out there.
I heartily disagree with how ICE is currently operating and how legal status is being removed from people to get more “low hanging fruit” to inflate numbers. Obama managed to deport millions of illegal immigrants without the theatrics, or destruction of reputation for the department so we know it can be done.
This doesn’t mean that I cannot or should not also be concerned about illegal immigration or that I should support jumping the border or overstaying visas.
That’s great. In theory I believe people who violate the law should be handled in a safe and sane manner as well. We need to do some serious work updating the laws and procedures regarding immigrating to this country. They are archaic and cruel. I will not be made to fear people who simply come here for a better life, who provide vital labor, and who are less likely to commit violent crime than people who were born here. As long as a law separates families, keeps people in inhumane conditions, or puts literal children before a judge without counsel or so much as an interpreter I am against that law in its entirety.