I’ve been wondering about this too, thought I was just out of the loop but nothing I can find from a reputable source has really made me think he’s a right winger.
Like, maybe we can’t say for sure but to insist he’s actually extremely far right seems like a wild leap.
Just because you can’t hear the dog whistle does not mean it doesn’t exist. The thing with Groypers, and many white nationalists over the past decade, is that they’re full of ironic memes, co-opting liberal media, and hidden language as a tactic to confuse people like you into believing they’re not an extremist movement at all
I’m not saying the shooter definitely isn’t a groyper or whatnot, I’m saying that meme forensics seem a bit of an odd way to definitively decalre someone in one group or another.
Especially when that group is really transphobic and your romantic partner is trans.
I dunno but it strikes me like anyone declaring they know this guy’s motivations one way or the other is probably just seeing what they want to see.
Edit: Okay, and now they’ve released the text exchanges and stuff. Seems pretty darned clear he’s Left wing, not Right. (Can you really imagine a far Right killing Kirk would be doing so because they “had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out” ?)
Can you really imagine a far Right killing Kirk would be doing so because they “had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out” ?
Yeah I can actually. A young white man radicalized by years of being terminally online in groyper spaces who already hated Charlie Kirk for not being extreme enough, who then started to date a trans woman (if the feds are to be believed on this at all). All the trans romantic partner angle gives is a more clear motive, but doesn’t actually explain his radicalization to the point of a targeted killing. Being a groyper does.
I’ve been wondering about this too, thought I was just out of the loop but nothing I can find from a reputable source has really made me think he’s a right winger.
Like, maybe we can’t say for sure but to insist he’s actually extremely far right seems like a wild leap.
Just because you can’t hear the dog whistle does not mean it doesn’t exist. The thing with Groypers, and many white nationalists over the past decade, is that they’re full of ironic memes, co-opting liberal media, and hidden language as a tactic to confuse people like you into believing they’re not an extremist movement at all
I’m not saying the shooter definitely isn’t a groyper or whatnot, I’m saying that meme forensics seem a bit of an odd way to definitively decalre someone in one group or another.
Especially when that group is really transphobic and your romantic partner is trans.
I dunno but it strikes me like anyone declaring they know this guy’s motivations one way or the other is probably just seeing what they want to see.
Edit: Okay, and now they’ve released the text exchanges and stuff. Seems pretty darned clear he’s Left wing, not Right. (Can you really imagine a far Right killing Kirk would be doing so because they “had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out” ?)
https://atty.utahcounty.gov/cms/uploads/TJR_Information_49872215e3.pdf
Yeah I can actually. A young white man radicalized by years of being terminally online in groyper spaces who already hated Charlie Kirk for not being extreme enough, who then started to date a trans woman (if the feds are to be believed on this at all). All the trans romantic partner angle gives is a more clear motive, but doesn’t actually explain his radicalization to the point of a targeted killing. Being a groyper does.
Yeah makes me feel this place isn’t much better than tankies. I’d like to have better proofs instead of jumping to conclusions just like that.