ABC has suspend 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' in the wake of Brendan Carr threatening ABC affiliates following the late-night host's comments about the suspected Kirk shooter's politics.
Honestly, I thought it was more important that the shooter was so mentally distorted as to publicly slaughter somebody and that he had the tools and circumstances to do that successfully. If you think not being MAGA was a more significant factor than that, you can hold that opinion, but that doesn’t make it dishonest for someone to believe differently or express that. Again, what Kimmel said was not about what people believe, but what they are prioritizing in what they say and do.
The First Amendment doesn’t say that the government is allowed to restrict free speech so long as they leave you some avenue to express yourself, it says that they are not allowed to restrict free speech at all (outside of some narrow categories that aren’t considered free speech to begin with). Someone doesn’t have to be a saint or martyr for it to be a bad thing for the government to treat them improperly.
You good at just derailing the conversation on things that doesn’t matter regarding that issue.
The first amendement regard personal right not the right about tv national network and still it s a private corporation that fire him not the gouvernement
Those points are exactly on issue. You need to either get yourself up to speed on the conversation we’ve been having or accept that it is beyond you, but for all the patience I’ve put into this conversation I will not stand for you to just declare me derailing it to offhandedly dismiss a core point you don’t like. If you honestly think that I’m trying to pull the discussion off-course, then point out where and how, don’t just give a cowardly hand-wave and pretend to have the high ground.
As a famous politician quipped, “corporations are people, my friend”. Whether you or I like it or not, that is the current reality of constitutional rights. But it’s not just corporate actions that are being targeted, it’s specifically what Kimmel (who is a person) said. Don’t pretend that the enforcement [retribution] mechanism defines what activity is being restricted. If the government threatened to fine the company owned by anyone caught wearing a blue shirt, they are restricting people from wearing blue shirts, not owning companies. If the FCC Chair threatens to do things “the hard way” for a company that employs Kimmel because of what he said, they are restricting his speech.
Furthermore, the fact that government agents didn’t literally haul him out of the building does not absolve them of wrongdoing. Threatening someone and then pretending to not have actually done anything and that their reaction is entirely on them is a classic abuser strategy. Are you going to wholeheartedly stand behind that line of argument and claim to be in good faith? (And don’t even try to claim that people lambasting ABC/Disney for being weak enough to give in to that threat are blaming them for being threatened in the first place.)
Damn bro his right to lye in 4k on the air on the most controversial recent issue is being suppressed by the government ? Omg
Better call Alex Jones and anti vaxer to tell them they were unjustly juged and should defend their first amendement right
I just gave you a thorough explanation of how he did not say the killer was MAGA, the one with the example about the color of the sky. You didn’t even attempt any sort of rebuttal, so I thought we had moved past that point. Did you already forget about that, or is returning to claiming he lied just a bad-faith argumentative tactic instead of actually engaging with the points I’m making?
Even if Kimmel had made a claim about the killer’s politics in an offhand comment with mixed reports coming in, it would demonstrate a deep lack of awareness to say that that’s comparable to an extended campaign to harass and falsely accuse the grieving parents of murdered children of being actors paid to decieve the public, causing them years of documented torment and damages, or to repeating the falsified claims of a fraudulent and abusive study that was actually made up to push a different vaccine. (Let alone the whataboutism)
“can be interpreted” would mean that he is not inherently lying, but that you are choosing an interpretation (twisting his words) to try to say that he is. Otherwise I could say you are lying about calling me bad faith because you don’t know anything about my religious practices. See how absurd that is?
Is coming into a conversation and clearly laying out my points along with giving reasoning and explanations “bad faith” now? What conventions or norms am I breaking, other than taking a fact- and logic-based approach to reality? Are those not allowed any more?
Honestly, I thought it was more important that the shooter was so mentally distorted as to publicly slaughter somebody and that he had the tools and circumstances to do that successfully. If you think not being MAGA was a more significant factor than that, you can hold that opinion, but that doesn’t make it dishonest for someone to believe differently or express that. Again, what Kimmel said was not about what people believe, but what they are prioritizing in what they say and do.
The First Amendment doesn’t say that the government is allowed to restrict free speech so long as they leave you some avenue to express yourself, it says that they are not allowed to restrict free speech at all (outside of some narrow categories that aren’t considered free speech to begin with). Someone doesn’t have to be a saint or martyr for it to be a bad thing for the government to treat them improperly.
You good at just derailing the conversation on things that doesn’t matter regarding that issue.
The first amendement regard personal right not the right about tv national network and still it s a private corporation that fire him not the gouvernement
Those points are exactly on issue. You need to either get yourself up to speed on the conversation we’ve been having or accept that it is beyond you, but for all the patience I’ve put into this conversation I will not stand for you to just declare me derailing it to offhandedly dismiss a core point you don’t like. If you honestly think that I’m trying to pull the discussion off-course, then point out where and how, don’t just give a cowardly hand-wave and pretend to have the high ground.
As a famous politician quipped, “corporations are people, my friend”. Whether you or I like it or not, that is the current reality of constitutional rights. But it’s not just corporate actions that are being targeted, it’s specifically what Kimmel (who is a person) said. Don’t pretend that the enforcement [retribution] mechanism defines what activity is being restricted. If the government threatened to fine the company owned by anyone caught wearing a blue shirt, they are restricting people from wearing blue shirts, not owning companies. If the FCC Chair threatens to do things “the hard way” for a company that employs Kimmel because of what he said, they are restricting his speech.
Furthermore, the fact that government agents didn’t literally haul him out of the building does not absolve them of wrongdoing. Threatening someone and then pretending to not have actually done anything and that their reaction is entirely on them is a classic abuser strategy. Are you going to wholeheartedly stand behind that line of argument and claim to be in good faith? (And don’t even try to claim that people lambasting ABC/Disney for being weak enough to give in to that threat are blaming them for being threatened in the first place.)
Damn bro his right to lye in 4k on the air on the most controversial recent issue is being suppressed by the government ? Omg Better call Alex Jones and anti vaxer to tell them they were unjustly juged and should defend their first amendement right
I just gave you a thorough explanation of how he did not say the killer was MAGA, the one with the example about the color of the sky. You didn’t even attempt any sort of rebuttal, so I thought we had moved past that point. Did you already forget about that, or is returning to claiming he lied just a bad-faith argumentative tactic instead of actually engaging with the points I’m making?
Even if Kimmel had made a claim about the killer’s politics in an offhand comment with mixed reports coming in, it would demonstrate a deep lack of awareness to say that that’s comparable to an extended campaign to harass and falsely accuse the grieving parents of murdered children of being actors paid to decieve the public, causing them years of documented torment and damages, or to repeating the falsified claims of a fraudulent and abusive study that was actually made up to push a different vaccine. (Let alone the whataboutism)
You are the one being bad faith saying his formulation in no way or form can be interpreted other way than yours.
“can be interpreted” would mean that he is not inherently lying, but that you are choosing an interpretation (twisting his words) to try to say that he is. Otherwise I could say you are lying about calling me bad faith because you don’t know anything about my religious practices. See how absurd that is?
Is coming into a conversation and clearly laying out my points along with giving reasoning and explanations “bad faith” now? What conventions or norms am I breaking, other than taking a fact- and logic-based approach to reality? Are those not allowed any more?