There wasn’t really a Bernie-Trump pipeline in the first place. There were articles about how more Bernie primary supporters backed Clinton than Clinton primary supporters backed Obama. Additionally, many people interested in Bernie were GOP to Bernie to begin with.
Bernie to Clinton info below is likely higher since it’s 2 months before the comparable Obama numbers. I can’t find the article I’m thinking of with a direct comparison but it had the same findings after the general iirc.
There wasn’t really a Bernie-Trump pipeline in the first place.
There was. Now this isn’t a massive election-deciding group, but it’s an interesting phenomenon that tells us a lot about the audience for progressive politics.
Direct quote from your link:
“By every estimate, Obama-Trump—voters who had previously voted for Barack Obama but voted for Trump in 2016—vastly outnumber Sanders-to-Trump voters, accounting for about 14% of Trump’s total vote.”
The X-Trump pipeline rhetoric is never brought up outside of sanders and does not take into account sanders took supporters from the GOP to begin with. It’s not shocking some people take inconsistent political action. What is shocking is that people are accepting the idea of there being a “pipeline”. It’s like when they write whole articles on 5 tweets and people eat it up. This is not a real concern and per your link Obama voters are more susceptible. It’s not a relevant point except that exciting candidates get a certain amount of people excited regardless of what side they are on.
I really don’t think it’s progressive politics is my point. This cohort does not seem to care about politics judging by their inability to see how Bernie and Trump are opposed politically. Bernie also told people to vote for Clinton which these people didn’t, so obviously they’re not following him for his policies or because they listen to his advice. They care about optics and whatever their skewed sense of good optics suggests is what they follow. They like “outsiders” or some other superficial thing. Progressives often fit the bill, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to dilute ourselves into thinking that it’s the content rather than the individual candidate that is having this effect.
When people feel lied to is when they’re most willing to change their stances as well. GOP supporters are feeling the economic promises falling short right now and will continue to feel those promises not being kept. I feel that now is the perfect time to be making inroads with GOP supporters.
Bernie lays it out front and center for people to see who is causing their issues and people are listening.
It’s the Bernie-Trump pipeline working in reverse. Because offering real solutions to people’s problems works. Who woulda fucking thunk.
There wasn’t really a Bernie-Trump pipeline in the first place. There were articles about how more Bernie primary supporters backed Clinton than Clinton primary supporters backed Obama. Additionally, many people interested in Bernie were GOP to Bernie to begin with.
Bernie to Clinton info below is likely higher since it’s 2 months before the comparable Obama numbers. I can’t find the article I’m thinking of with a direct comparison but it had the same findings after the general iirc.
Bernie to Clinton 85% https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/12/sanders-supporters-clinton-vote-survey
Clinton to Obama 81% https://news.gallup.com/poll/109957/obama-gains-among-former-clinton-supporters.aspx
Similar info about the Bernie/clinton divide: https://acbc89.medium.com/more-sanders-voters-backed-clinton-than-her-own-supporters-backed-obama-c5dc37658fe5
There was. Now this isn’t a massive election-deciding group, but it’s an interesting phenomenon that tells us a lot about the audience for progressive politics.
Direct quote from your link: “By every estimate, Obama-Trump—voters who had previously voted for Barack Obama but voted for Trump in 2016—vastly outnumber Sanders-to-Trump voters, accounting for about 14% of Trump’s total vote.”
The X-Trump pipeline rhetoric is never brought up outside of sanders and does not take into account sanders took supporters from the GOP to begin with. It’s not shocking some people take inconsistent political action. What is shocking is that people are accepting the idea of there being a “pipeline”. It’s like when they write whole articles on 5 tweets and people eat it up. This is not a real concern and per your link Obama voters are more susceptible. It’s not a relevant point except that exciting candidates get a certain amount of people excited regardless of what side they are on.
Sure, you’re not contradicting me.
No, it’s relevant because it means that progressive politics can mobilize current or future GOP supporters rather than just progressives.
I really don’t think it’s progressive politics is my point. This cohort does not seem to care about politics judging by their inability to see how Bernie and Trump are opposed politically. Bernie also told people to vote for Clinton which these people didn’t, so obviously they’re not following him for his policies or because they listen to his advice. They care about optics and whatever their skewed sense of good optics suggests is what they follow. They like “outsiders” or some other superficial thing. Progressives often fit the bill, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to dilute ourselves into thinking that it’s the content rather than the individual candidate that is having this effect.
When people feel lied to is when they’re most willing to change their stances as well. GOP supporters are feeling the economic promises falling short right now and will continue to feel those promises not being kept. I feel that now is the perfect time to be making inroads with GOP supporters.
Bernie lays it out front and center for people to see who is causing their issues and people are listening.