And if it does, all those megacorps will simply enhance their offshore development centers. They’ll not hesitate to fuck over the h-1b holders, who are mostly perfectly nice and normal people just like everyone else. Heck, most of the ones I’ve met were really nice.
They’ll not hesitate to fuck over the h-1b holders
This is the entire point of the system. It’s to make them beholden to the company and entirely disposable. It’s also set up to be rampantly ageist. What happens after the 3/6 year term is up? Well, time to replace you with a new one, probably younger, because Jebus forbid we pay you market rates for your seniority! Away with you…
A far more healthy option would be to offer full citizenship to the workers we supposedly cannot source locally. That doesn’t put the company in the driver’s seat. It would benefit America, though, by having this talent come here, grow roots, and enrich the nation. We want to encourage smart people to come here and be full participants, not indentured servants that only stay here on a company’s whim. Hell, more than a few might even start businesses of their own, and in this free market system, aren’t we supposed to be celebrating that?
Honestly, if Taco were to just unconstitutionally declare tariffs on random countries and at random levels, we could do worse than having services like offshoring heavily tariffed.
There is no reason that work cannot be done here, most especially if we have people in IT looking for work. This is one area where jobs can and would be done locally, without drastic retooling, retraining, and building out infrastructure, unlike the kind of things Taco has been doing on a whim to manufacturing and farming.
I make that point every time the Trumpers in my family rail on about the small number of manufacturing jobs we might see come back due to tariffs. Outsourced jobs are in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and none of them require massive infrastructure re-shoring to get off the ground.
If a company can’t profit without offshoring jobs, they don’t need to exist. There are plenty of companies ready to fill that gap with people that live and work onshore, and plenty of people with entrepreneurial spirit ready to start new companies when they aren’t competing with labor making 10% of what someone here would make to do the same job.
I could not agree more. Think of it - so many Americans were/are told that the information economy is the future, we need technocrats, information workers, etc., and to go get educated (or in some later cases, people were told to go to coding boot camps) and get a bachelor’s, probably in something like computer science.
And people do that, putting a whole lot of time and effort into that, often coming out carrying a big load of student debt.
Then, absurdly rich oligarch assholes actively work to take AWAY all of those jobs (starting at least as far back as the 80s) and that path to the American dream by constantly finding the cheapest places to do that work. In some cases, the government actually had programs to help companies do this (offshoring). For companies that don’t necessarily want to work with people in other time zones, they set up the H-1B so they could bring cheap exploitable labor here. If any of this sounds familiar, it’s because companies would do this kind of shit for coal mining - bring in a foreign labor force to help set labor upon labor.
I mean: what the actual fuck are we even doing here? And this kind of schizophrenic messaging and policy has dragged on for decades. I get that not everyone is cut out for this kind of work, but if you said this was the future, while hollowing out manufacturing at the same time and saying the information sector was where things are going, and then work to fuck up that, too, well, no fucking wonder a lot of Americans are hopping mad about it.
The HIRE Act of 2025 is the other edge of the double-edged sword on that front. In order for jobs to really be re-shored, we need both the fix to the H1B program, and that act. Both make it prohibitively expensive to replace American workers with cheaper labor source from outside the country. I hope we get both, but I’m also a pessimist.
Make it a million.
Also, I doubt this will actually happen.
And if it does, all those megacorps will simply enhance their offshore development centers. They’ll not hesitate to fuck over the h-1b holders, who are mostly perfectly nice and normal people just like everyone else. Heck, most of the ones I’ve met were really nice.
This is the entire point of the system. It’s to make them beholden to the company and entirely disposable. It’s also set up to be rampantly ageist. What happens after the 3/6 year term is up? Well, time to replace you with a new one, probably younger, because Jebus forbid we pay you market rates for your seniority! Away with you…
A far more healthy option would be to offer full citizenship to the workers we supposedly cannot source locally. That doesn’t put the company in the driver’s seat. It would benefit America, though, by having this talent come here, grow roots, and enrich the nation. We want to encourage smart people to come here and be full participants, not indentured servants that only stay here on a company’s whim. Hell, more than a few might even start businesses of their own, and in this free market system, aren’t we supposed to be celebrating that?
Honestly, if Taco were to just unconstitutionally declare tariffs on random countries and at random levels, we could do worse than having services like offshoring heavily tariffed.
There is no reason that work cannot be done here, most especially if we have people in IT looking for work. This is one area where jobs can and would be done locally, without drastic retooling, retraining, and building out infrastructure, unlike the kind of things Taco has been doing on a whim to manufacturing and farming.
I make that point every time the Trumpers in my family rail on about the small number of manufacturing jobs we might see come back due to tariffs. Outsourced jobs are in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and none of them require massive infrastructure re-shoring to get off the ground.
If a company can’t profit without offshoring jobs, they don’t need to exist. There are plenty of companies ready to fill that gap with people that live and work onshore, and plenty of people with entrepreneurial spirit ready to start new companies when they aren’t competing with labor making 10% of what someone here would make to do the same job.
I could not agree more. Think of it - so many Americans were/are told that the information economy is the future, we need technocrats, information workers, etc., and to go get educated (or in some later cases, people were told to go to coding boot camps) and get a bachelor’s, probably in something like computer science.
And people do that, putting a whole lot of time and effort into that, often coming out carrying a big load of student debt.
Then, absurdly rich oligarch assholes actively work to take AWAY all of those jobs (starting at least as far back as the 80s) and that path to the American dream by constantly finding the cheapest places to do that work. In some cases, the government actually had programs to help companies do this (offshoring). For companies that don’t necessarily want to work with people in other time zones, they set up the H-1B so they could bring cheap exploitable labor here. If any of this sounds familiar, it’s because companies would do this kind of shit for coal mining - bring in a foreign labor force to help set labor upon labor.
I mean: what the actual fuck are we even doing here? And this kind of schizophrenic messaging and policy has dragged on for decades. I get that not everyone is cut out for this kind of work, but if you said this was the future, while hollowing out manufacturing at the same time and saying the information sector was where things are going, and then work to fuck up that, too, well, no fucking wonder a lot of Americans are hopping mad about it.
The HIRE Act of 2025 is the other edge of the double-edged sword on that front. In order for jobs to really be re-shored, we need both the fix to the H1B program, and that act. Both make it prohibitively expensive to replace American workers with cheaper labor source from outside the country. I hope we get both, but I’m also a pessimist.