• SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    51
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    11 months ago

    I wouldn’t be celebrating this. The reason why he’s not getting traction is because he didn’t help overthrow the US government. That’s a terrifying reason for him to lose.

    • hitmyspot@aussie.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      11 months ago

      He was never popular. He was a useful tool for trump to help court the religious vote. When it became clear they were supporting him despite his obvious non religious demeanor, pence served no purpose to the cult or to non cult Republicans. Sure, it was terrifying it got so close to a couple. But even without a coup or attempts to kill him, he was never a viable candidate.

      • SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        11 months ago

        Biden was likewise not popular but being vice president allowed him to leverage Obama’s reputation to the presidency. We will never know what happens in the counterfactual where Pence enters the primaries without having “betrayed” Trump. But frankly, I find these super confident post-facto predictions irksome.

        • hitmyspot@aussie.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          11 months ago

          Biden didn’t get the presidency due to Obama’s good reputation, but rather as an ‘anyone but Trump’ vote based on Trump’s history and reputation.

          No, we can only speculate. As you are, lol.

          • SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            That’s ridiculous. Of course Biden benefited from being Obama’s VP.

            I am advocating for uncertainty. You are confidently saying that Pence was never going to win. Yours is over-confident speculation and mine isn’t.

            • hitmyspot@aussie.zone
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              ·
              11 months ago

              Yes, of course he benefitted. He also benefitted from being a known quantity. It is not what won the election, though.

              Trump lost the election, not Biden winning. An empty paper cup would likely have won if it was the alternative candidate.