• iridebikes@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Oh great the world’s most precious people have finally been saved and all it took was a genocide on their behalf!

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        11 months ago

        The first offer from Hamas to let go all the hostages to Israel was on the 09.10.2023. The Israeli government rejected it then and has rejected it ever since: https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/

        In fact, Hamas has stated that they are not interested in any future government in Gaza about a year ago and instead wanted a Palestinian technocratic body to take over. You know what happened? Israel murdered the diplomatic leadership of Hamas in November 2024. And then Israel and the US came out and said, that they had no one to negotiate with. And just a few weeks ago, they tried the same.

        In negotiations early this year with Witkoff and others, Hamas even put this in writing - again with the offer of releasing all the hostages - contingent on a stop of Israeli aggression, the continuation of humanitarian aid and the Israeli troops to withdraw from the strip. That treaty was then changed by the US and Israel in May this year before it was rejected.

        This has been modus operandi from the beginning from the US and Israel. After they had a deal, change it, make it look as if Hamas is rejecting the deal and capitalize on it. In fact, if you go back in history, you’ll find the same strategy over and over again, to make it look like “Palestinians rejected peace”.

        And last but not least: You are telling people to lay down their weapons, that have been under a brutal siege for over two years, while ignoring the side that put in place the siege and genocidal aggression.

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            11 months ago

            Yes indeed, that’s true. The difference is that now, they don’t even want to be part of a future “unity government” like in 2014. The only thing they demand now is that the government body consist of Palestinians. Or in other words: Palestinian self-determination.

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              11 months ago

              Israel was expecting violent attacks from Gaza, just not at the scale. There had been attacks on and off since before the blockade of Gaza started.

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                11 months ago

                been following this closely, so far Israelis shot people within the agreed upon territory, because they were “too close”. yhea, that’s straight up murder.

                also, Israel complains that Hamas isn’t returning all the bodies which is an impossible task due someone bombing civilian areas where hostages being held.

                also Israel is already kidnapping Palestinians to fill their rape jails again.

                also limiting aid entry.

                they are expecting an attack because they have been instigating it non stop by ignoring the ceasefire.

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        11 months ago

        Israel could have stopped operating the largest and most inhumane open-air prison in our lifetime at any point in the past 25 years and significantly fewer people would have died, I’m sure.

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        11 months ago

        Israel could have ended occupation and could accept the deal Hamas proposed to release the hostages few days after 7 of October massacres

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          11 months ago

          Are you aware that Hamas considers all of Israel to be occupied Palestine?

          You are in fact suggesting, Israel could have just rolled over, dissolved itself, and surrendered to Hamas.

          The deals Hamas offered were practically an Israeli surrender. Why should Israel allow Hamas to stay in power, claim victory, rearm, and do another October 7th in five years?

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        11 months ago

        How did that work out for them the last….10 or so times Israel violated a ceasefire agreement?

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          11 months ago

          There was a ceasefire on October 6th 2023.

          How did digging in deep and fighting tooth and nail work out for Hamas? It invited total destruction.