Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey (D) on Wednesday said he does not support abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), while criticizing how the agency is operated under the Trump administrat…
I’m on his side here. The problem is not necessarily that we have immigration laws, or that there is an agency tasked with enforcing them. It’s that this Administration has turned this particular agency into its own paramilitary wing, using immigration enforcement as an excuse to terrorize people who didn’t vote for Trump.
The mayor is making the point that in prior administrations, ICE existed, and was not a problem for him. They did their job, without terrorizing the city. The problem isn’t ICE existing, it’s what ICE has turned into under Trump and that nasty Caillou-looking Stephen Miller.
Border enforcement for the past two centuries have basically just been an international apartheid agreement to control the movement of undesirables while ensuring the free flow of capital. Borders only really exist for the poor.
You can enforce immigration and border controls without ICE. It was functioning just fine until 2003. In your attempt to find a “middle ground” position I dont think your landing pint is reasonable.
Changing the name from U.S. Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service to ICE isn’t any different. It was the same government workers doing the same work before and after the department merge and name change.
Not true, the department ment was moved under the Department of Homeland Security. This reorganization has had a demonstrable effect in how it is led. There is nothing they do that can’t be dealt with by other law enforcement. The DHS itself was a ridiculous ratcheting of the surveillance/police state “in response to 9-11” (that’s the excuse that was dropped in their lap).
This reorganization has had a demonstrable effect in how it is led.
The reorg meant LESS deportations. Significantly less if you factor Latin America population growth. It was only Trump that turned a regular bureaucracy into his Gestapo.
I’m not sure whether the quantity of deportations would have to do with the reorg, or if it has more to do with overall executive policy (or other factors).
Regardless I don’t think there needs to be a dedicated police agency dedicated to the internal enforcement of immigration. Whatever enforcent does take place does not need to be conducted by a militarized agency (which, is my primary concern with being part of “DHS”). ICE is already have been shit for a long time, not to mention the 2018 calls for “abolish ICE” because of the “kids in cages” (which were built under the Obama admin) which was already the correct call.
They don’t offer anything useful, even when they don’t have Trump’s trillion dollar funding package. Toss them and start over, it isn’t even a big deal.
It’s that this Administration has turned this particular agency into its own paramilitary wing, using immigration enforcement as an excuse to terrorize people who didn’t vote for Trump.
“it was fine when they were committing an ethnic cleanse and forcefully sterilizing migrant women, but now they’re going after white liberals and that makes me slightly uncomfortable, but not uncomfortable enough to get rid of them because i still want to terrorize minorities”
There is a gigantic difference between police getting a warrant, knocking on a door, and then bringing a person in for polite questioning versus masked goons breaking down doors and deporting without a trial.
There is a gigantic difference between police getting a warrant, knocking on a door, and then bringing a person in for polite questioning
Does this mean you will support these raids once Trump has totally cleansed the federal bench of liberals? Also, there’s no such thing as “polite questioning” from police
I’m on his side here. The problem is not necessarily that we have immigration laws, or that there is an agency tasked with enforcing them. It’s that this Administration has turned this particular agency into its own paramilitary wing, using immigration enforcement as an excuse to terrorize people who didn’t vote for Trump.
The mayor is making the point that in prior administrations, ICE existed, and was not a problem for him. They did their job, without terrorizing the city. The problem isn’t ICE existing, it’s what ICE has turned into under Trump and that nasty Caillou-looking Stephen Miller.
Border enforcement for the past two centuries have basically just been an international apartheid agreement to control the movement of undesirables while ensuring the free flow of capital. Borders only really exist for the poor.
You can enforce immigration and border controls without ICE. It was functioning just fine until 2003. In your attempt to find a “middle ground” position I dont think your landing pint is reasonable.
Changing the name from U.S. Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service to ICE isn’t any different. It was the same government workers doing the same work before and after the department merge and name change.
Not true, the department ment was moved under the Department of Homeland Security. This reorganization has had a demonstrable effect in how it is led. There is nothing they do that can’t be dealt with by other law enforcement. The DHS itself was a ridiculous ratcheting of the surveillance/police state “in response to 9-11” (that’s the excuse that was dropped in their lap).
The reorg meant LESS deportations. Significantly less if you factor Latin America population growth. It was only Trump that turned a regular bureaucracy into his Gestapo.
I’m not sure whether the quantity of deportations would have to do with the reorg, or if it has more to do with overall executive policy (or other factors).
Regardless I don’t think there needs to be a dedicated police agency dedicated to the internal enforcement of immigration. Whatever enforcent does take place does not need to be conducted by a militarized agency (which, is my primary concern with being part of “DHS”). ICE is already have been shit for a long time, not to mention the 2018 calls for “abolish ICE” because of the “kids in cages” (which were built under the Obama admin) which was already the correct call.
They don’t offer anything useful, even when they don’t have Trump’s trillion dollar funding package. Toss them and start over, it isn’t even a big deal.
No, actually, I think it’s bad to have people tasked with rounding up foreigners.
“it was fine when they were committing an ethnic cleanse and forcefully sterilizing migrant women, but now they’re going after white liberals and that makes me slightly uncomfortable, but not uncomfortable enough to get rid of them because i still want to terrorize minorities”
Their idea of lesser evil is evil directed at [who they perceive to be] lesser people.
No it literally is the problem. 🏴🏴🏴 You’re just noticing now because they’re getting efficient and being more openly ruthless.
There is a gigantic difference between police getting a warrant, knocking on a door, and then bringing a person in for polite questioning versus masked goons breaking down doors and deporting without a trial.
Does this mean you will support these raids once Trump has totally cleansed the federal bench of liberals? Also, there’s no such thing as “polite questioning” from police
How does that logic follow at all? I’m complaining about Trump’s violent Gestapo and you claim that I’ll soon support it more?