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Israel is a terrorist state.
Always has been
Intercepted 250 miles from the coast, in international waters. So it was illegal high seas piracy. A crime. Where is England and NATO in protecting their citizens from piracy, torture, abuse, and false imprisonment? What would these US and European governments say actually they do as a job?
Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.
Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area
The problem isn’t really the muslims here, nor the jewish supremacy. If you kick 700,000 people of any religion, creed, race, whatever off of the land they’ve lived on for centuries so you can start living there, you’re going to have a problem.
Jews can live anywhere
In the context where zionism was conceived (late 19th century Europe), this is false. Actual antisemitism was rampant in all of Europe. They were being lynched in the streets, and discriminated against on levels that are unimaginable today. And it was completely normal too! It is impossible to overstate what an awful place Europe was for the jews. And this is before the holocaust!
There were some brave jews who organized and armed themselves and fought back, with the motto “here, where I live, is my country”. This was the bund, and they were like the jewish version of the black panthers before the black panthers were ever a thing. Organized schools and mutual aid and all that, too. Truly heroic people.
The other solution is to run away, to colonize some other place (maybe Uganda, maybe Argentina, maybe Palestine) and become the master race there. This is zionism. You know which solution the antisemitic western governments preferred. And it makes sense, right? Imagine you hate jews, imagine you’re an actual antisemite, and a member of british parliament. And now the jews come to you to say, “hey we’ll just move to another country, get out of your hair”. That’s cause for celebration! Not only are you getting rid of the jews, but they’re volunteering to leave! And that’s how you get the Balfour declaration.
Anyway fuck pissrael.
It’s almost like that was the whole point of the operation. To quote the first British governor of Jerusalem, Sir Ronald Storrs, the plan was to create “a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism”.
It was always colonialism.
Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons.
They were not morons and perfectly conscious of the potential consequences.
Israel could habe been created anywhere and the local people would react similarly to palestinians. Nobody want a state forced on them.
But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy. /s
It’s funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.
Just remember that “But it’s a democracy”, is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.
USA is also a democracy
Is it though?
It’s a plutocracy disguised as a democracy
Kakistocracy but yeah.
Technokleptoplutokakistocracy
american here: it is not a democracy. also, FUCK ISRAEL
USA claims to be a democracy.
It’s a dysfunctional democracy. So it’s absolutely not a good democracy.
Nothing can justify genocide or murdering random people at sea. Ever. It doesn’t matter who is doing it. The breaking of international law needs to have consequences.
It seems like a lot of people today have a hard time to not justify atrocities.
The US is manifestly not a democracy. When was the last time the working class, you know the group that makes up 90% of the population, actually held political power? No, all of the power is held by capitalists, who use it to enforce their system of authoritarian exploitation.
It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of “electoral democracy” behind the “true” democracies, termed “liberal democracy.”
From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:
Regimes that possess the bare minimum to be considered a democracy. They are “de-facto accountable to citizens through periodic elections”, but are not liberal democracies and lack further entrenched individual and minority rights beyond the electoral sphere. Basic electoral democracies may not possess a fully developed rule of law, legislative and judicial oversight of the executive branch, protections against the “tyranny of the majority”, and only minimal fulfillment of Robert Dahl’s institutional prerequisites for democracy.[13]
Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
Israel and USA are both flawed democracies placed at 30 and 34.
But they are still democracies.
Yes, by a broad definition. They can be considered democracies because elections, while not free and fair, are not directly rigged, opposition parties are allowed to contest them, and the press is partially free. Contrast this to a country like China or Russia, where elections are a sham, opposition is banned or controlled, and the press is tightly controlled by the government.
I will say though that both V-Dem and the Economist are being somewhat generous. Considering recent events in Hungary, one could argue both countries should really rank lower than Hungary.
I agree, and in Hungary Victor Orban had a lot of control of the media. That’s a pretty big part of being a democracy, that the press (media) is free.
In the US, corporate media is largely aligned with the Trump regime and journalists that dare to ask an actual question are denied access.
So they are keeping westerners hostages too now. Terrorists.
A decade or so ago they murdered an unarmed 19-year-old American citizen in international waters with zero consequences.
Two decades ago they murdered Rachel Corrie
in 1967 they attacked a US navy boat and killed 34 sailors and wounded 171.
I couldn’t make an orc or goblin that ugly in any fantasy.
A video has come out of how some of the kidnapped people are being poorly treated, disgraceful. There’s also some right wing Israeli politician acting like a cunt.
Ridiculous that these people were plucked out of international waters. And were trying to bring aid to help people. Fuck you Israel, I hope you’re made pay for this in International Courts in the future.
Here’s the story on our national news website in Ireland, and it shows some of the video.
https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2026/0520/1574249-flotilla-gaza-israel/
Well what can we do if the president of the USA is protecting Israel despite everything and says F international law lol actually he hates international law and looks up to dictators lol americans can protest but they need to strike for days bring the economy to a standstill and demand justice, in Europe they strike for way less
edit: typo
US has been overly protective of and generous to Israel since the day they completed Nazi Germany’s plan of moving “the Jews” to a new land. They even assassinated the first US president who called Israel out for having an unexplainable level of control over the US government.
Let’s be fair here, the plan was the British’s. The Nazis just happened to vibe really hard with their plan, just like how they did with Jim Crow.
the British mandated that the local population be treated equitably and that land not be taken in areas not assigned to Israelis, which the Israelis immediately violated on day 1 of its existence. You cant completely lay the actions of the Israelis on the british. From the getgo the zionists have violated every aspect of every agreement.
Just because I took your house and gave most of it to a bear it doesn’t mean it’s my fault alright? I told it to behave.
Coming from the same land that got away with starving both Ireland and India, that’s rich.
Israel was not held accountable before Trump either
I’ve seen this site a lot now on here, and it just looks like another low tier British tabloid that pumps out misleading ragebait content for clicks. From what I saw it’s like the left wing version of the Daily Mail. Why is the information hygiene on Lemmy so poor? Why can’t the community have higher standards on better sources?
The article is factually correct and links to another, more popular source. What is misleading about it?
Biased, yes. So what? If you are still neutral in the face of Israeli crimes, you are complicit.
Just go read the article that’s linked and look at the world of difference in the quality of reporting. If you’re seriously going to try to argue that Irish Mirror article is on the same level as this one, then you’re a lost cause.
What makes your take even more brain dead than it already is that you’re trying to equate your poor critical thinking skills with objective source quality. Uncritically consuming shitty articles from shitty sources because they feed into your confirmation bias is NOT a marker of quality for those sources. They still lack journalistic standards, objectivity, and accuracy. If you’re willingly open to consuming propaganda tier articles from a British tabloid then that you’re loss, but others aren’t going to stoop down to that level. You can’t mask piss poor information hygiene by pretending that anybody who has it holds some morally compromising position. This sources sucks ass on its own merits.
Oh hey, it’s the “capitalism is founded on the idea of workers owning their workplace” person.
Shitty article has link to non shitty source. If you critical thinking skills were as developed as you think they are, you could click on it.
Oh hey, it’s the “capitalism is founded on the idea of workers owning their workplace” person.
I wasn’t stating an opinion then, that’s literally the case. You denying reality is your own problem, not mine.
Shitty article has link to non shitty source.
A shitty article that links to a non shitty source still means that it’s a shitty article from a shitty source. The non shitty article that’s linked should be the one that linked because it’s the one the that higher quality. The Irish Mirror actually hired people to do real journalists to do real journalism, and the authors of that article clearly did their jobs well. They’re the ones who should be rewarded with the internet traffic and recognition, not a shitty activist page that lazily rips off the work of others and slaps a clickbait headline on it. I know it’s a foreign concept to you, but to normal people this is called having standards.
If you critical thinking skills were as developed as you think they are, you could click on it.
The irony here is so thick its almost solid that it’s a shame you’re dumb to get it.
Oh shit, did they make false claims in this article?
Or do you just object to their biased reporting? Because then we can exclude everything from AP news (“Israel ‘’‘’‘‘tests’’‘’‘’’ ceasefire”) to fox news.
What a shit take. You’re information hygiene has to be completely cooked to defend tabloids like this. This is an objectively poor source that’s basically just the Daily Mail 2.0 that pumps out clickbait.
This article is reporting on the same thing, but it is so much better:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8pz5nm6r8o
Supporting shitty tabloids doesn’t become okay just because they pump out headlines you agree with, the point is the quality.
the point is the quality
Information hygiene
links to a BBC article reporting on Israel
Is it a lack of self-awareness? Denial? Or just DARVO? It’s an extraordinary act of mental gymnastics in any case. Some people have really taken the plunge into this “post-truth” thing.
The BBC article is objectively better. What ironic, is that you’re the one doing the mental gymnastics. I’m criticism this source on it’s merits and you’re going out of your way to defend it because it feeds into your confirmation bias. You liking what they post is not a mark of their quality, they’re still a crappy source. One look at their about page should tell you that much.
The irony levels are through the roof, because you’re doing what you claim I’m doing, and not doing what you claim you’re doing:
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/bbc-civil-war-gaza-israel-biased-coverage
You’re defending the crappy source. You’re not looking at the merits of your source.
There’s no irony. I’m not married to the BCC. I’m merely pointing out that they’re a genuine news organization with journalistic standards and the crappy blog you posted is not. That’s not a controversial statement. The article they produced on this story actually has information, details, and sources… you know like a good source should. The Canary article is as shitty as it gets. It literally only has 4 sentences and a clickbait headlines. Of which, only 2 sentences are actually relevant to the story, and they’re both ripped off from the Irish Mirror article that they linked. This shitty article can’t even be called a summary of that article, which is a legit article that has actual reporting.
The Irish Mirror article actually provides context, testimonies, primary sources, and so on. Which begs the question, why not post that article in the first place? It’s clearly a much better source and a much higher quality article. Why is lemmy littered with fucking The Canary spam everywhere? Why doesn’t this place have higher standards for articles and sources? That’s poor information hygiene, that’s what I’m criticizing… and for some reason that’s what you’re offended by for some reason.
I’m sorry, the “crappy blog” that is Owen Jones’s dropsite? Gtfo, you obviously don’t know that the hell you’re talking about. I’m not going to engage with someone arguing in bad faith.
What you seem to call “information hygiene” most others call “bias in favor of Israel”. Do you earnestly use the term “sterile street” too?
No, the only people who call information hygiene “bias in favor of Israel” are those who lack elementary levels of critical thinking. Just because you brainlessly accept shitty sources because they feed into your confirmation bias, that doesn’t mean others do. The Canary is an objectively crappy source. They literally spell out in their about page that this site is meant to be activist magazine, not a genuine news source. It lacks credibility, objectivity, and basic journalistic standards. It’s literally a British tabloid that run on click bait, like what are we even doing?
Your shitty article do not say they was kidnapped . Bbc police language of anti genocide people.
https://www.owenjones.news/p/bbc-staff-were-forced-to-do-pro-israel
I’m criticizing a shitty tabloid that runs on clickbait and lacks both credibility and objectivity, and your response is to post some guy with a shitty blog? LMAO. Just because some shmuck out there is appealing to your confirmation biases that doesn’t make their articles accurate, objective, or credible. What kind of a standard is that? The BCC for all their fault actually have some level of journalistic standards. The article they posted on this is objectively better. The BCC article actually matches what other credible news sources are publishing. You can go to Reuters or AP or whatever, and see very similar articles.
They was kidnapped, it a fact. BBC is shitty and it’s standard is shitty.
https://www.owenjones.news/p/bbc-staff-were-forced-to-do-pro-israel
This is the kind of unintelligent response that I expect from someone who gets their information from randos running blogs.
They was abducted. Just because you don’t like the source, it doesn’t mean it is a lie.
