https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport

that table is thoroughly fascinating. i mean all of them, there’s more than one table on that article

apparently walking is the most energy-efficient transport mode of all?!?!? apart from bicycles

what i find mind-blowing is that airplanes consume approximately the same amount of energy as cars and trains. I mean i can easily see cars and trains being on the same level, but i always thought that airplanes consumed like an order of magnitude more fuel than cars. considering how everybody keeps saying that “airplanes consume so much fuel” and such. crazy.

and also boats are less efficient than i thought? boats consume 16 L/100 km while cars, trains and airplanes consume 6 L/100 km?

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    what i find mind-blowing is that airplanes consume approximately the same amount of energy as cars

    The same logic could be applied to spacecrafts. The energy efficiency of a spacecraft travelling to Mars is approximately 10-50MJ/100km - between a car and a bicycle. Should everyone take a ticket to Mars rather than driving their SUV to work?

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      Planes and trains are also quite close to each other and in many cases cover the same routes. However, planes run 100% on fossil fuels, trains are often electric.

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          Weight. As you burn down fuel, the plane gets lighter, so requires less fuel/energy for the remaining distance.

          With a battery powered plane, the battery is just as heavy all the time. It also has less energy density. This means wayyy less range with current tech.

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            Clearly the solution is lots of little batteries, so the plane can drop them as it flies.

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                It does to me.

                “Your flight has been cancelled on account of a moderate wind in the forecast somewhere between New York and San Francisco.”

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            I feel something like this could be a way…

            Overhaul Planes

            What if we had smaller planes? You could end subsidies for plane flights under 1,000/1,500 km, as planes are less energy efficent below those distances than train. You can also abolish flights for planes that are heavier than a certain weight, and subside investing in green plane fuel research. To make the transition smooth, you’d have to do this in phases, and ensuring CEOs are on board with it without corruption.

            With flying, the security and having to travel to the airport (the airport requires a lot more specialised infrastructure), a journey for 1,500 km would take at least 3 to 5 hours.


            Trains

            Train stations by comparison, take up much less space and thus occur more widely. Thus travel time to them is less.

            Therefore, accounting for security and travel time towards the station, a train can be equally fast, and doesn’t lead to ear pain for passengers. If they don’t stray too far, scenic routes are also possible, which is beautiful. As you curve downward a valley, the Mont Blanc reveals itself to you. Driving along rolling hills, past rustic pines and beaches, floral meadows and fair lakes and cities…

            They should be massively more subsided to reduce prices. Avoiding overcrowding (which decreases comfort) could be done by only allowing as many to board as there are seats available.

            High speed rails could be ideal for daytime travelling. They should be frequent and between many mid-sized and large cities. That is, up until the journey would be longer than a plane flight and its preparations. With longer distances between stops, sleeper trains would be handier, especially if their comfort is seriously improved.


            What would sleeper trains need?

            Wifi, chargers. You could have cabins for 4 people as the standard, with:

            • banks that can be turned into comfortable beds
            • a foldable table
            • rubbish bin
            • storage space

            Interior should be simple, hypoallergenic but ‘cosy’. Not claustrophobic, unclean, or metallic.

            A more luxurious option might be a private shower (as well baby diaper changing spot) and toilet, with more space. Breakfast served.

            A direct journey thus would be handier for sleeper trains, or at the very least the time between transfers should be at least 10 hours (8 sleep, 2 for going to sleep and waking up). There could be transfer hubs for these sleeper trains where you have lounges that are for eating breakfast/dinner, letting children play, or for focusing.

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              Train stations require train lines between them, that’s the crux of the issue.

              There is research into electric/hydrogen planes.

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                Honestly pretty sure their comment is AI generated, so dont waste too much time analysing it