Israel has roughly 2.000.000 Arabian citizens. They descent from 156.000 Arabs who stayed in Israel after 1948. This must be the least successful ethnic cleansing of all time!
One can also pretty easily outmaneuver OP: If it isn’t supposed to be a cleansing, why isn’t Israel letting these people leave Gaza towards Israel to live as part of the arab population? Why are they blocked from becoming israeli citizens, even if they wished for it?
Theoretically sure, but the discrepancy makes it problematic to speak of of ethnic cleansing in this case. If you steal land for the purpose of getting land, you’re probably still committing a crime, but it’s not ethnic cleansing because the intend is something different. E.g. greed or the desire to ensure your safety by holding a strategic position (that’s why Israel took the Golan heights).
You may want to look up what a genocide is. It definitely does not require the complete extermination of a people, even by the self serving UN definition.
And the population of the Uyghurs was rapidly on the rise until just a few years ago - especially compared to the Han-Chinese population. That is not an ethnic cleansing as well then, right?
Well given that there were 700000 Arabs who had to flee out of fear of getting murdered (or because they were directly ordered to flee by the IDF’s predecessors), I’d say they were pretty successful.
That’s some interesting revisionist history. They were told they’d be able to return after the surrounding nations destroyed the newly formed Israel… that backfired and the surrounding nations refused to take on the refugees they created. Womp womp.
That’s the find out part that comes after fucking around. Seems like that lesson wasn’t learned so they’re back for more. Sucks for all the people who just want peace.
They were told they’d be able to return after the surrounding nations destroyed the newly formed Israel… that backfired and the surrounding nations refused to take on the refugees they created.
So you’re saying Israel did not massacre or expel Palestinians? I suggest reading Benny Morris (a Zionist Israeli historians)'s four-stage analysis of the Palestinian diaspora. Hint: Most of them were fleeing for their lives or actively ordered to flee by the IDF’s predecessors, as I said above.
I’m not saying a war didn’t happen. Both sides were displaced and communities attacked from north to south by both.
What I’m saying is many Arabs, hundreds of thousands of them left willingly and under the direction of the surrounding Arab Nations under the promise of being able to return once Israel was destroyed.
It’s not Israel’s fault they’re still waiting. Many Arabs who didn’t leave, still live there in peace accounting for nearly 20% of the country’s population.
Had they not left, had Israel not been attacked by 5 countries at once kicking off generations of warring, who knows if we would have seen peace. The Israelis were open to the partition plan, it’s the Arabs that weren’t and that’s the unfortunate reality they’ve left Palestinians with ever since.
What I’m saying is many Arabs, hundreds of thousands of them left willingly and under the direction of the surrounding Arab Nations under the promise of being able to return once Israel was destroyed.
It’s not Israel’s fault they’re still waiting. Many Arabs who didn’t leave, still live there in peace accounting for nearly 20% of the country’s population.
Are you even reading what I said? Most of these people left because they either (rightly given the sheer number of massacres) feared for their lives or were actively expelled.
Israel has roughly 2.000.000 Arabian citizens. They descent from 156.000 Arabs who stayed in Israel after 1948. This must be the least successful ethnic cleansing of all time!
Yes, you can cleanse minorities outside of your country while not harming another minority at home. Glad that we got that covered.
Indeed.
And also, being less efficient or succesful at ethnic cleansing compared to other (historic) ethnic cleansings doesn’t somehow make it OK.
The number of Albanians in Kosovo has also grown and the number killed wasn’t “huge” compared to the Holocaust or Holodomor or Armenian genocide.
But it was still a genocide and still wrong.
One can also pretty easily outmaneuver OP: If it isn’t supposed to be a cleansing, why isn’t Israel letting these people leave Gaza towards Israel to live as part of the arab population? Why are they blocked from becoming israeli citizens, even if they wished for it?
Oh, also: Did you know that in order to become an Israeli citizen, you must acknowledge that Jerusalem belongs to Israel?
Or even better, why aren’t they even allowed to marry Israeli citizens and live in Israel on that basis?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-passes-law-barring-palestinian-spouses-2022-03-10/
This is some real, literal apartheid segregation shit.
Theoretically sure, but the discrepancy makes it problematic to speak of of ethnic cleansing in this case. If you steal land for the purpose of getting land, you’re probably still committing a crime, but it’s not ethnic cleansing because the intend is something different. E.g. greed or the desire to ensure your safety by holding a strategic position (that’s why Israel took the Golan heights).
The Palestinian population has similar numbers. Their growth exploded over the last 70 years to present day numbers. Worst genocide ever.
You may want to look up what a genocide is. It definitely does not require the complete extermination of a people, even by the self serving UN definition.
And the population of the Uyghurs was rapidly on the rise until just a few years ago - especially compared to the Han-Chinese population. That is not an ethnic cleansing as well then, right?
What an idiotic comment. It’s like saying the Armenian genocide didn’t happen because there are more Armenians now than before.
Well given that there were 700000 Arabs who had to flee out of fear of getting murdered (or because they were directly ordered to flee by the IDF’s predecessors), I’d say they were pretty successful.
That’s some interesting revisionist history. They were told they’d be able to return after the surrounding nations destroyed the newly formed Israel… that backfired and the surrounding nations refused to take on the refugees they created. Womp womp.
That’s the find out part that comes after fucking around. Seems like that lesson wasn’t learned so they’re back for more. Sucks for all the people who just want peace.
So you’re saying Israel did not massacre or expel Palestinians? I suggest reading Benny Morris (a Zionist Israeli historians)'s four-stage analysis of the Palestinian diaspora. Hint: Most of them were fleeing for their lives or actively ordered to flee by the IDF’s predecessors, as I said above.
I’m not saying a war didn’t happen. Both sides were displaced and communities attacked from north to south by both.
What I’m saying is many Arabs, hundreds of thousands of them left willingly and under the direction of the surrounding Arab Nations under the promise of being able to return once Israel was destroyed.
It’s not Israel’s fault they’re still waiting. Many Arabs who didn’t leave, still live there in peace accounting for nearly 20% of the country’s population.
Had they not left, had Israel not been attacked by 5 countries at once kicking off generations of warring, who knows if we would have seen peace. The Israelis were open to the partition plan, it’s the Arabs that weren’t and that’s the unfortunate reality they’ve left Palestinians with ever since.
It’s not Israel’s fault they’re still waiting. Many Arabs who didn’t leave, still live there in peace accounting for nearly 20% of the country’s population.
Are you even reading what I said? Most of these people left because they either (rightly given the sheer number of massacres) feared for their lives or were actively expelled.
Away with your logic, here we are convinced that Israel is literally Hitler.