• matlag@sh.itjust.works
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    1 day ago

    When he says “Europe must choose”, I assume he doesn’t mean by referendum or any democratic way, right?

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      20 hours ago

      Well in fact EU is a pretty well functioning democracy, and most member countries are too.
      So the decision will be up to democratically elected representatives, that were elected in fair elections.
      So it will be mostly democratic.

      Here in Denmark datacenters have a waiting line, because renewable production needs to be scaled up to handle it.
      Europe is NOT USA. Where datacenters can take over electric supply from smaller cities, leaving them without a supplier for electricity.

      My guess is that the lobby that made that statement is centered in USA, and is as braindead as the American Government.

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        4 hours ago

        So the decision will be up to democratically elected representatives, that were elected in fair elections.

        Sadly, a lot of them are corrupt.

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        16 hours ago

        The EU just re-introduced ChatControl after being rejected twice by the elected representatives. The third time, a majority of elected representatives still voted against it, but thanks to a trick embedded in the rules, it passed anyway: introduced as an “urgent” bill, they needed absolute majority to stop it.

        So no, sorry, as lond as that kind of shit can happen, the EU is a flawed democracy. Maybe it’s not as fucked as some others, but it’s flawed nonetheless.

        The datacenter in Denmark waiting is a good Denmark’s policy. This is not the same in other countries, it is not a EU policy.

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          You are way off regarding the chat control, We’ve had regulation that has worked fine since 2002! This has been revised a few times, and the proposal in 2026 was voted down by the EU parliament.
          The Parliament then decided for it, so there was a democratic majority in Parliament, that decided that it should require a super majority to block it again.

          When to sides disagree, it has to be decided one way or the other, you can’t always make everybody happy.
          I have no personal opinion on the issue, but it seems to me democracy has worked fine.

          Regarding not all countries doing things the same way we do, I maintain that nowhere in EU has a company been able to take over supply of electricity from the population, so the population didn’t have a supplier.
          Prices on electricity have gone up in general in Europe, but that’s also because of the heat waves we’ve had. Prices also go up here in such situations.