A Colorado judge has rejected an attempt to remove former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 primary ballot based on the claim that he is constitutionally barred from office because of the January 6 insurrection.
First good on you for trying to make an argument again instead of just insulting me. Could have dropped the insults altogether, but this is progress at least.
The reason that they didn’t list “the president” at the beginning of that clause is because the president was the guy who fought the traitors that they were trying to bar.
I’m mainly copy-pasting my post from elsewhere:
Our whole system is based on checks and balances, because they knew full well that any part of the government could become corrupt. Hell, even during that time, Lincoln was called a traitor to the country when he was campaigning. The idea that they couldn’t fathom that a president could also be a threat to the republic doesn’t hold much water. It’s literally arguing that they made a “whoopsie” when crafting the amendment and no one from the 38 states and none of the supermajority of both houses of congress was smart enough to say “hey, maybe we should consider the POTUS too.” I just can’t buy it that people at the time thought the POTUS was some purely noble person that would never do wrong.
Second, and probably more importantly in this case, this actually confirms the ruling. You’re arguing that it was an oversight to not include the POTUS because they never thought that someone who wants to be/was the POTUS would be the one to commit the crime; you’re effectively admitting that the POTUS is not included. This is admitting that the POTUS is not part of it, thus making the ruling correct, and thus requiring us to go back and amend it to include the POTUS/VPOTUS.
Yes, but just because you admitted to being wrong doesn’t mean that you’ve stopped being wrong. You’re still wrong. Stupidly, laughably wrong.
You accused me of holding a position because I refuse to admit I am wrong. I’m the only one in this thread (between the two of us) that has done so. So the claim that I’m unwilling to rings particularly hollow.
Sorry that I’m not coddling your feelings, but that’s the bare truth.
I pointed out the attacks not because I particularly care about you respecting me (although it would be nice), but because you abandoned debating positions in favor of insulting. I know, from many years of debating, that the ad hominem is one of the first refuges of a failing argument. And you’ve made it clear you still need to rely on it heavily.
I’m not sure what you’re implying that I’m admitting to.
You may not realize it, but that “you’re just arguing that because you realize that your position is ridiculous but you feel entrenched in an argument you have to see through to the end.”
you’re effectively admitting that the POTUS is not included.
No. Incorrect. Not at all what I’m saying. The POTUS was very much included in the language here:
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States
I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but the presidency is a civil office in the United States. So yeah. They specifically included the president. They just didn’t enumerate that office because the president at the time was not a traitor.
It’s like… say your little brother (let’s call him Andrew) steals your money. Say you’re pretty pissed off about this, and you say something to the effect of “God damn it, Andrew! You are not allowed to take my money! I will not tolerate thievery!”
You’re effectively saying that by uttering that phrase, you’d be 100% ok with your little sister Sally stealing the money instead because you didn’t specifically list her by name. Sure, she was covered under the whole “I will not tolerate thievery” bit, but your dumbass argument says that since you didn’t call out Sally by name, she can totally steal your shit. Do you see how imbecilic that is?
You accused me of holding a position because I refuse to admit I am wrong.
Again, incorrect. I listed that as one of the two possibilities. The other possibility, of course, is that you’re dumb. Because really, the position you’re arguing is so mind-numbingly stupid that there are really only two possibilities here: you’re dumb enough to actually believe it, or you’re too stubborn to admit you’re wrong. So, you know… arguing that you are anything but stubborn really pushes this towards just the one remaining possibility… The good news, though is that you probably have a promising career as a district court judge in Colorado ahead of you.
you abandoned debating positions in favor of insulting
Buddy, this isn’t a debate. This is someone explaining to a small child that you shouldn’t stick a fork in a light socket. I’m not debating the merits of not getting shocked with the kid; I’m telling him that sticking the fork in the light socket is a really stupid idea. Sorry if I get frustrated when you keep trying to jam the fork in there anyway.
I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but the presidency is a civil office in the United States.
You’re just reiterating an earlier point which, when challenged with a question, was answered with a claim that they didn’t include the POTUS because they couldn’t fathom the POTUS being the bad-guy. Which I demonstrated as ridiculous, in-and-of-itself (and you completely ignored, BTW), but also how it defeats your own point. You’re chasing your own tail around here.
Again, incorrect. I listed that as one of the two possibilities.
Fair point, I stand corrected.
Sorry if I get frustrated when you keep trying to jam the fork in there anyway.
You don’t have to apologize to me as you’re frustration is not with me, but yourself.
Ok, hey - this has been fun and all. But um… we’re running into a bit of a brick wall here. See, you think you’ve demonstrated something that you haven’t. You think that two completely separate points I’ve made are the same thing. You think you’re actually making cogent, non-insane points. Etc.
Basically, you’re just a frustrating pile of wrong. And not, like, little wrong things, either. Huge, flashing, fuck-off wrong things. And as much as I’ve enjoyed repeatedly replying to you and saying essentially the same thing over and over, I am aware that that falls under that apocryphal definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
So yeah. I’m going to just stop responding to you now, and probably take a couple of headache pills. I’m sure you’ve got plenty of people in your life you can frustrate instead.
First good on you for trying to make an argument again instead of just insulting me. Could have dropped the insults altogether, but this is progress at least.
I’m mainly copy-pasting my post from elsewhere:
Our whole system is based on checks and balances, because they knew full well that any part of the government could become corrupt. Hell, even during that time, Lincoln was called a traitor to the country when he was campaigning. The idea that they couldn’t fathom that a president could also be a threat to the republic doesn’t hold much water. It’s literally arguing that they made a “whoopsie” when crafting the amendment and no one from the 38 states and none of the supermajority of both houses of congress was smart enough to say “hey, maybe we should consider the POTUS too.” I just can’t buy it that people at the time thought the POTUS was some purely noble person that would never do wrong.
Second, and probably more importantly in this case, this actually confirms the ruling. You’re arguing that it was an oversight to not include the POTUS because they never thought that someone who wants to be/was the POTUS would be the one to commit the crime; you’re effectively admitting that the POTUS is not included. This is admitting that the POTUS is not part of it, thus making the ruling correct, and thus requiring us to go back and amend it to include the POTUS/VPOTUS.
You accused me of holding a position because I refuse to admit I am wrong. I’m the only one in this thread (between the two of us) that has done so. So the claim that I’m unwilling to rings particularly hollow.
I pointed out the attacks not because I particularly care about you respecting me (although it would be nice), but because you abandoned debating positions in favor of insulting. I know, from many years of debating, that the ad hominem is one of the first refuges of a failing argument. And you’ve made it clear you still need to rely on it heavily.
You may not realize it, but that “you’re just arguing that because you realize that your position is ridiculous but you feel entrenched in an argument you have to see through to the end.”
No. Incorrect. Not at all what I’m saying. The POTUS was very much included in the language here:
I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but the presidency is a civil office in the United States. So yeah. They specifically included the president. They just didn’t enumerate that office because the president at the time was not a traitor.
It’s like… say your little brother (let’s call him Andrew) steals your money. Say you’re pretty pissed off about this, and you say something to the effect of “God damn it, Andrew! You are not allowed to take my money! I will not tolerate thievery!”
You’re effectively saying that by uttering that phrase, you’d be 100% ok with your little sister Sally stealing the money instead because you didn’t specifically list her by name. Sure, she was covered under the whole “I will not tolerate thievery” bit, but your dumbass argument says that since you didn’t call out Sally by name, she can totally steal your shit. Do you see how imbecilic that is?
Again, incorrect. I listed that as one of the two possibilities. The other possibility, of course, is that you’re dumb. Because really, the position you’re arguing is so mind-numbingly stupid that there are really only two possibilities here: you’re dumb enough to actually believe it, or you’re too stubborn to admit you’re wrong. So, you know… arguing that you are anything but stubborn really pushes this towards just the one remaining possibility… The good news, though is that you probably have a promising career as a district court judge in Colorado ahead of you.
Buddy, this isn’t a debate. This is someone explaining to a small child that you shouldn’t stick a fork in a light socket. I’m not debating the merits of not getting shocked with the kid; I’m telling him that sticking the fork in the light socket is a really stupid idea. Sorry if I get frustrated when you keep trying to jam the fork in there anyway.
You’re just reiterating an earlier point which, when challenged with a question, was answered with a claim that they didn’t include the POTUS because they couldn’t fathom the POTUS being the bad-guy. Which I demonstrated as ridiculous, in-and-of-itself (and you completely ignored, BTW), but also how it defeats your own point. You’re chasing your own tail around here.
Fair point, I stand corrected.
You don’t have to apologize to me as you’re frustration is not with me, but yourself.
Ok, hey - this has been fun and all. But um… we’re running into a bit of a brick wall here. See, you think you’ve demonstrated something that you haven’t. You think that two completely separate points I’ve made are the same thing. You think you’re actually making cogent, non-insane points. Etc.
Basically, you’re just a frustrating pile of wrong. And not, like, little wrong things, either. Huge, flashing, fuck-off wrong things. And as much as I’ve enjoyed repeatedly replying to you and saying essentially the same thing over and over, I am aware that that falls under that apocryphal definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
So yeah. I’m going to just stop responding to you now, and probably take a couple of headache pills. I’m sure you’ve got plenty of people in your life you can frustrate instead.
It was only a matter of time before you went back to just insults. Have a good night.