A group tracking antisemitism in Germany said Tuesday that it documented a drastic increase of antisemitic incidents in the country in the month after Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7.
The RIAS group said it recorded 994 incidents, which is an average of 29 incidents per day and an increase of 320% compared to the same time period in 2022. The group looked at the time period from Oct. 7 to Nov. 9.
Among the 994 antisemitic incidents, there were three cases of extreme violence, 29 attacks, targeted damage to 72 properties, 32 threats, four mass mailings and 854 cases of offensive behavior.
Many Jews in Germany experienced antisemitic incidents in their everyday lives and even those who weren’t exposed to any antisemitic incidents reported feelings of insecurity and fear, said RIAS, which is an abbreviation in German for the Department for Research and Information on Antisemitism.
Zionism isnt “jews have the right to live”. Its “jews have a divine right to land where people were already living so they kill and exile them”
The “kill and exile” part is not necessarily part of it (see e.g. Labour Zionism, Rabin was one of them) but granted the right-wing nutjobs have pretty much appropriated that label outside of Israel itself.
Oh speaking about divine right: There’s also religious Antizionism, those people equate anything Zionist to trying to force the prophecy of the third temple and therefore as heretical.
oh I’ve seen a lot about labor zionism learning about the history of zionism in general. The kibbutzim, the jewish land funds, the buying up of land from colonial land owners and eviction of Palestinians, long before Israeli statehood. Look at the occupation in the West Bank for what Labor Zionism looks like. And what the kibbutzim at the Gaza border are waiting to do to Gaza.
Going in and helping in all kinds of humanitarian ways? At least that’s what they did before Hamas slaughtered them all, it’s a very lefty region.
Imagine Rabin not getting assassinated and the Oslo accords going into force. That’s what Labor Zionism could’ve looked like.
And don’t get me wrong I won’t defend everything every Labour Zionist has ever done, either. My position is actually quite simple: Fascists on both sides are fucking it up for everyone. And no matter your gripes with any particular Labour Zionist thing, fascists they are fucking not.
do you think the humanitarian situation in Gaza was good? International Humanitarian organizations were pleading with Israel to let them do humanitarian work in the open air prison that is Gaza. I think Israel has been lying to you about how they’ve been handling Gaza, it has not been humanitarian in any way.
The situation wasn’t just not good, it was atrocious. But also no, the Israelis going in and and helping weren’t the Israeli government blockading it, same as Israelis helping West Bank Palestenians with the olive harvest so they don’t get shot at by settlers aren’t the IDF turning a blind eye to settlers shooting Palestinians.
Maybe, just for a second, consider that Israel is not a hive mind.
Was Rabin the one assassinated by a Zionist who was so close to making a good treaty? If so, we need more of those.
By a religious Zionist, yes. And guess who back then variously called for, didn’t push back against calls for, etc, his assassination: The current prime minister as well as the minister of national security.
As to more of those: You know the type of Jews living close to the west bank going in helping Palestinians with the olive harvest so that they’re less likely to get shot at by settlers (because hurting Israelis would get them in trouble)? Many of those types also lived near the Gaza border, helping as they can, it’s a region full of old hippie kibbutzim. And then Hamas came. Which gives yet another spin on why the Israeli government isn’t terribly worried about the hostages: Most of them are leftists.
Generally speaking the average Israeli is left of centre, in its core it’s a socdem country. After the failure of the Oslo accords a lot, a lot a lot of them bought the right-wing promise for safety, the “antagonise until they give up” path, but otherwise stayed centre left. As I think the Haaretz put it: “Yigal Amir [the assassin] has won”. But then with the right wing now having proved that they can’t provide safety their days in government are absolutely numbered, Netanyahu is not popular in Israel right now. They won’t go for naive hippie kumba-ya, either, but a Realpolitik “keep the checkpoints, get rid of the settlements, stop antagonising and put the fucking Kahanites in padded cells” policy is currently definitely a vote-winner.
Considering the “settler” violence in the West Bank (backed by the Israeli military), it sure seems like they’ve appropriated it inside of Israel itself, too.
Some Israelis - not all. The current government is absolutely zionist and there is a decent portion of the population that is aligned with that… but, to my knowledge, the majority of Israelis don’t demand a one state solution. And it’s absolutely true that the majority of jews don’t advocate for that.
They’ve cornered state power by having found a willing stirrup holder (Netanyahu) whose only interest nowadays is staying in power to avoid going to prison for corruption and therefore able to form a coalition with the right-wingest of right-wing fascist fucks (people like Ben Gvir, who didn’t get drafted as the IDF ruled him to be too extremist to serve). But label-wise, no, they don’t equate Zionism with Kahanites and general ilk. Roughly like other countries don’t equate patriotism with fascism.
They were already living there as well. You do realise that, yes?
from the beginnings of Zionism? No, no they largely came from Europe, when Britain colonized the area after World War I. It’s pretty fucked up, Britain promised Arab independence in Palestine if they revolted against the Ottoman colonizers during WWI, but then issued the Balfour Declaration promising a Jewish state there instead.
That’s such an incredibly reduced “summary” that you can as well call it false. But in your eyes good and evil are strictly defined. Must be nice (for you). Sadly, that’s neither helpful, nor good, nor a solution.
Whats false is the idea that they were already there. Its kind of a weird thing to believe, i feel like you’d be pretty well aware of the famous Jewish diaspora. Theres a reason over 700 thousand palestinians were killed or exiled and it wasnt to make room for people already living there.
What makes it “false” is that it deliberately leaves out multiple other factors that do not fit your narrative of “Israel = evil Jewish colonizers from Europe” and “Palestinians = poor victims being oppressed”.
Directly neighbouring Arab and Muslim countries and areas exiled, killed and drove out Jews amounting to more than 850 thousand who went to Israel.
That the people who we call Palestinians today in the area denied the two-state solution at that time because they did not want Israel to exist. They wanted to rather have war instead of getting their own state and share the land.
The animosity and multiple wars that were started against Israel for purely religious and ideologic reasons from the other side as well. The religious zealots aren’t only on Israel’s side.
There are numerous countries that came into existence by wars and in a similar way as Israel. It’s even less of an issue here because it’s not even a part of a country which declared independence, there wasn’t even a country in the first place!
Israel did not come into existence just because of Zionism. About half of the Jews in Israel are Mizrahim who are native to the area. They had an inferior status in the Islamic society. By your own logic it is understandable that they ultimately pushed back and declared independence after being treated as second class people for generations.
Im sure there were some, but the majority of this was their own choice. It’s Zionism, of course they went to the holy land when Israel was formed, that was always the plan.
They were damn right to not want it, it’s gone horribly for them. Palestinians opposed Zionism from the beginning as Jews started settling and evicting them from their land.
I always love people saying “they should have just accepted the two state solution and none of this would be going on”. Glad to see they would all willingly hand over 80% of their country and get a shit deal even for the 20% you have left.
Should Ukraine also just let Russia have Crimea? Hell throw in some extra land to sweeten the deal for Russia and there will be peace again in the region.
Honest to God that argument is… interesting to say the least.
If that gives them a right to exile Palestinians it gives hamas the right to fight back because so were Palestinians.
Than if Palestinians now want to exile Israelis that also gives them the right to fight back.
Yea, so let’s not kick out anyone and learn to coexist.
I can also define words however I want and change facts to make my bias sound not crazy
feel free to bring in any definitions for zionism you can find that just call it a right to live. Heck, look up why it’s called Zionism. It’s about Jews establishing a nation around Jerusalem. Palestinians were and still are living there already during this movement. hundreds of thousands have been killed or exiled.
so there were 0 jews in palestine before that?
No, “palestinian” doesn’t mean muslim… there were plenty of palestinian jews.
The difference is that palestinian jews were allowed to integrate into Israel while palestinian muslims were not.
I do still want you to go find definitions for zionism. And look into the history while you’re at it. There was no notable amount of jews in Palestine at the time, it was a long established largely islamic arabic people. Jews were famously a diaspora, which means not living in that area. Zionists largely moved in from Europe.