• mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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    4 months ago

    Hold the fuck up

    This has got to be wrong

    The IRA alone was a trillion dollars, roughly speaking, in new “social and economic spending”. Where is that on this chart?

    I’m gonna do some digging and see what this is. My guess is that “social and economic spending” is cunningly defined as within certain existing programs, which took a back seat to the massive new programs which are not included, but let me see what I can find about it.

    Edit: Yeah, I’m pretty sure this is 100% just made up numbers. Like literally just writing any random shit on the chart and bald faced lying that it’s the actual numbers. He has citations, but they’re all citations to other articles of his.

    Here are the numbers:

    Military spending is easy to measure, because it’s a whole separate slice in the infographic. It went up, but not to where he says – over those three years it went from $742B to $751B to $805B. His chart shows it climbing up way up to $900B.

    Social spending is a little more complex, because it’s not a single category in the same way, but you can literally add up things that are separated on the chart and see that even the sum of selected social/economic programs adds up to more than he says. I knew this was wrong because the scale of social spending, under Biden or before him, was so massive that you don’t even have to get detailed to show why it’s wrong.

    • 2022: Student loan programs + income security + medicaid + medicare + social security = $3.6 trillion
    • 2023: Income security + medicaid + medicare + social security = $3.3 trillion

    He doesn’t really break down what he means by “economic and social,” so maybe he’s using a definition that doesn’t include social security or student loan forgiveness in social and economic spending or something, but given the fact that he lied about military spending I feel fairly comfortable saying that he probably just made up some random shit and posted up a chart full of Fox News style total lies.

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    4 months ago

    Hate to ruin your narrative here, but the [Republican controlled] House controls the government coin purse.

    The first part’s not true. I love to tear down narratives. So I’m going to dissect the last paragraph with prejudice.

    Blame Republicans if you want

    I do.

    but save some for the president and congressional Democrats. Biden rebranded as a deficit hawk after the FY2022 budget process,

    Makes sense given our massive deficit.

    the FY2023 spending bill was passed under the Democratic trifecta, and the FY2024 appropriations bills were enacted with overwhelming Democratic support at Biden’s urging.

    We’re also funding two wars abroad, so that also makes sense. Also, those were the appropriations bills that needed to pass to prevent the government from shutting down. Because those are used every frigging year to hold the country for ransom, usually by Republicans. So of course compromises would be required to pass the least-worst of those lest we get absolutely nothing at all and the whole government shuts down (again).

    We’ve got a bipartisan problem here.

    BoTh SidES!!!1!!

  • Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 months ago

    Wow, military spending went up when a major world power invaded a sovereign nation? I’m sure this is all Biden’s fault.

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        Because making this distinction (apparently for no reason at all except that it provides a misleading way to present data that have nothing to do with the reality) is a bunch of bullshit.

        If you had said “here is how this data is false and what is the real information” I think you would be getting upvotes

        This may not be the intent on your part, but it kinda comes across like “oh this data isn’t a TOTAL bunch of bullshit, and here is a random arbitrary distinction underlying it which wasn’t mentioned which totally makes it make sense to present these numbers this way,” and my guess is you’re getting downvotes because if that were what you were saying, that would be simply doubling down on the dishonesty of the original chart, and people are downvoting it for dishonesty

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          Because making this distinction (apparently for no reason at all except that it provides a misleading way to present data

          Congress/the President don’t pass budgetary acts to set non-discretionary spending. The income/costs are statuary, and so their changes aren’t tied to the horse trading that routinely occurs as part of the appropriations process.

          here is a random arbitrary distinction underlying it

          The Appropriations Committee holds enormous influence over our national budgetary agenda precisely because they dictate how much money is made available to the various agencies. This isn’t random or arbitrary, it is fundamental to how Congress functions under Article One of the US Constitution.

          This is where the “GOTV WE NEED TO FIX THINGS” rhetoric rubber hits the fucking road. You’re not going to change how Social Security or Medicare operates from cycle to cycle, but you absolutely are going to change how the Dep of Ed, the Highway and Transportation Administration, and the Pentagon function.

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            What on earth are you talking about?

            Setting aside the dishonesty of excluding medicare, medicaid, social security, and the big assistance programs that got passed recently from the “social / economic programs” line on a chart of government spending, yes of course congress / the president pass budgetary acts that set non-discretionary spending. That’s how that spending got there in the first place. Where did you think medicare and medicaid and the student loan forgiveness programs and everything got into the non-discretionary budget in the first place, if not from congress and the president passing budgetary acts?

            (This annoyed me so much that I went back and added a downvote to the pile for you)

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              4 months ago

              Setting aside the dishonesty

              How is a discussion of discretionary spending changes dishonest? It’s the thing Congress sets every two years.

              congress / the president pass budgetary acts that set non-discretionary spending

              That’s not how the Social Security Trust or the Medicare Trust Fund work. You don’t appropriate funds at the start of every budget cycle to pay for them.

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    4 months ago

    This chart is misleading. It just shows “discretionary” spending which leaves out Medicare Social Security, and Medicaid. (We spend considerably more on those programs than the entire military)