• HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        This is the issue for me. I care about other things too, but I won’t vote for someone funding a genocide.

        I’m hoping I can throw my support behind Kamala (if she is the nominee). She seems to be a less blindly pro-Israel than Biden, but I’ll feel better if she confirms it.

        I’ll understand if she has to wait until after the convention before declaring a stance.

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          The US was founded on genocide. Right here, on this soil. And everyone at the time went along with it in the name of Manifest Destiny. But it didn’t end there. The US either directly or indirectly enabled genocide around the world through most of its history.

          What happens when you can’t support Kamala? And Trump wins? He absolutely supports genocide and will help it along at a scale we’ve yet to see in Palestine. And worse. And he’ll bring problems directly to you, in your own home.

          Would you trade millions of dead men, women, and children in Palestine for millions of dead men, women, and children in Palestine, other countries, and here at home as well?

          Because I don’t see what you have to gain by helping Trump win.

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            The US was founded on genocide. Right here, on this soil. And everyone at the time went along with it in the name of Manifest Destiny. But it didn’t end there. The US either directly or indirectly enabled genocide around the world through most of its history.

            Well, I guess genocide’s okay then.

            Sorry for bothering you with my conscience.

            Would you trade millions of dead men, women, and children in Palestine for millions of dead men, women, and children in Palestine, other countries, and here at home as well?

            I don’t trade lives. If I can’t back Kamala (and she’s the nominee), I’ll vote third-party.

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              This comment is honestly so telling. You’re okay with Trump getting re-elected and sending even MORE weapons to Israel, just so long as you personally don’t have to feel anything on your “conscience”.

              Sounds more driven by selfishness than actual compassion if you ask me.

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                just so long as you personally don’t have to feel anything on your “conscience”.

                And if you’re willing to do unconscionable things because your twisted logic tells you it’s actually for the greater good, then you’re not much different from Biden.

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                  I’m sure the guy who chopped his arm off (or whatever it was) when he was hiking and it got trapped didn’t want to do so, but sometimes we have to make choices we don’t like. You’re choosing to let trans people, people of color, immigrants, Palestinians, and a whole lot of other people get fucked by Republicans because you can’t do a little dirty work.

                  I hope you don’t have a pet, because you sometimes have to clean up shit. It sucks and no one likes doing it, but sometimes we have to choose to do things like that so other people don’t have to suffer the consequences of if we decide to take the easy route and pretend it didn’t exist.

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                  I honestly don’t know how to write this so it doesn’t sound like I’m attacking you but I’m going to try.

                  Disclaimer, Kamala Harris hasn’t stated anything on her stance involving Israel/Gaza conflict yet (as the presidential nominee), so my statements below may be a non-issue for you come election time anyway…

                  While it might feel like “doing the right thing” by not voting or voting third party, you are giving a vote to Trump if you do so, which is worse. It fucking sucks that we have this shitty two party system and all of sane people who aren’t just “my team vs your team” hate it… but I really hope you decide that your vote won’t be for Kamala but against Trump, since he will be far worse, not only for Gaza but Ukraine as well.

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          Mind you, I don’t live in a swing state, so my vote doesn’t matter. But I might send $50 to the Harris campaign to help her beat Trump (if she indicates that she’ll stop supporting the genocide).