I was banned 3 days for sealioning, that is correct. I disagree with the mods reasoning, but this is their community, their rules, so I am fine with it.
But you know what I realized during those three days? There are a lot of other Lemmy communities where people are open about voting third party. Cool, right?!
I ended up spending my time posting and chatting with like-minded folks, and it was actually fun! My voice wasn’t silenced at all—I just found bigger audiences who appreciated the same articles and wanted real discussions.
Not everyone thinks like you. And that’s ok.
You are free to believe whatever you would like. I don’t have to explain anything more to you. Thank you!
In short, it’s a form of trolling. Sealioning is defined specifically by the following characteristics:
A faux veneer of civility. That’s because the troll wants to play victim when others lose their sense of civility dealing with said troll.
Persistence. Another poster here points out how often this poster posts, and it comes out to once every 18 minutes, every hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. A Sealion tries to erode one’s sense of goodwill and decorum by constantly hounding people that disagree with it,
A fake attempt to appear to be trying to educate oneself or others.
Sealioning isn’t an exact match for this poster’s behaviour, but it’s damn close. Little petty grammar and spelling nazi comments. Intruding into other people’s DMs without permission. Constantly hiding behind the community rules. Using and abusing the fuck out of laws of civility and this community, while having zero intention to do anything but be disruptive, annoying, insulting, condescending, and otherwise just plain unpleasant, secure in the knowledge that we can’t call it out for what it is because the Mods have handcuffed us with these silly ‘be civil’ rules.
The mods have actually tagged this poster with a three day timeout for being a troll. I don’t think that gives me permission to carte blanc call this poster a troll, but I can at least point out every time I see it pushing its latest nonsense that the moderator team here has suspended its access for 3 days for trolling. We’ll see if the mods let that stay up. Given the nonsense that the mods have let stay up for the person they put in time out for being a troll, I hope it will. Kind of like calling out a convicted thief as a thief, or a convicted fraudster as a fraudster. Just with a silly extra step because we wouldn’t want to be uncivil to someone who is wanting to be uncivil to us.
My posts do NOT come out every 18 minutes, 24 hours a day. That’s 100 percent false. You can just look at the time stamps and see that’s false. The time frames mentioned are averages, not actual posting intervals. It’s not literal, friend.
And as you just mentioned, the mods banned me for 3 days. I’ve had comments removed when they thought I went too far, just as you have had. So no, I don’t get any preferential treatment from them, nor have I ever asked. No one is “handcuffed” when it comes to speaking out against me.
@jordanlund@lemmy.world would you like to jump in and address his concerns regarding the modding activity of this community?
This poster seems to have forgotten the times it ‘slid up in my DMs’ to ‘check up on me’…I haven’t. :)
This is the poster’s posting history from my perspective. 1490+ posts. 3410+ comments. That’s over a 61 day period. That’s 4900 posts and comments, which comes out to 80 posts and comments a day, 3.347 posts per hour, or roughly once per 17.9 minutes.
The receipts are up there. Thanks @SatansMaggotyCumFart for the work of figuring out this poster’s utter dedication to posting.
The time frames mentioned are averages, not actual posting intervals.
It doesn’t mean I post every 17.9 minutes nonstop around the clock. We all understand what averages are, right?
I’m not ashamed at all of my post history; it’s public. I’m actually proud when you all post it and I stand by everything I’ve said and don’t regret any of my posts! :)
But if you’re interpreting or implying an average as a precise, continuous posting schedule, then the real issue is our education system, not my activity.
See? This is the bullshit this poster throws out when confronted.
NOBODY is going to go make a scatter-graph of this poster’s posting habits to show how often it’s on posting. We’re just going to do the easy maths. Like I just did. ON AVERAGE this poster makes a comment every 18 minutes. If it sleeps 8 hours, we would divide 80 by 16, and the posting rate becomes an even more insane once per 12 minutes, every waking moment of the day. And then we start asking other uncomfortable questions, like…‘does this person work for a living? Or is this person’s work posting on here for a living?’ Not where I think this poster wants us to start drifting in our thinking, I don’t think.
But that fits with the ban for trolling this poster got. It knows that once every 18 minutes, or once every 12 minutes sixteen hours a day, or once every six minutes eight hours a day looks bad, so it starts distractifying with the nonsense that I’m saying straight out that it stays up 24/7/365 which would make it a bot or at least a group of people operating on 24 hour shifts. I’m just saying that if you average it all out, this poster is dedicating ridiculously stupidly large amounts of time to force it down our throat that it’s voting third party.
Again. I’m only interacting with this poster because we’re not crushing Trump 70 to 30. Were we, I’d not even bother with this foolish human (?) – let it waste its vote if it wants, that won’t make Trump more likely. But somehow, Trump is pulling 49.8% in some very scary places, and we ALL need to be all hands on deck, and the only reason you wouldn’t be is if you don’t mind if Trump wins and fucks the entire goddamn country in the process.
NOBODY is going to go make a scatter-graph of this poster’s posting habits to show how often it’s on posting.
Well, then maybe don’t post my stats if you can’t back them up. But as you are admitting now, the numbers you’re talking about are averages, they’re not literal timing intervals. I’m actually proud of my posting numbers. Not embarrassed at all.
And then we start asking other uncomfortable questions, like…‘does this person work for a living?
Not uncomfortable for me. I’ve mentioned my occupation several times. In fact, there was a whole chain of one poster mocking me for what I do for a living and the low pay I get! I’m a teaching assistant in an underserved, undefunded public school. I’m not uncomfortable or embarrassed about it. I love what I do!
Nah, I don’t think I will listen to what this poser is saying…err, sorry, POSTER. Missed a T there. I swear it was accidental. :)
This is the Internet, where the Men are Men, the Women are Men, the Children are FBI Agents, and nobody knows I’m a cat.
If it is true what this poster is saying it does for a living, does that mean it’s stealing company time, or just REALLY dedicated and posting one post every 12 minutes for 8 hours when it’s not eating, sleeping, and working?
It really loves to tell people what they can and can’t do. No, I don’t think I will respect its commandment that I not post its stats if it doesn’t get to curate what I’m saying with them. I stand by my statement. This poster posts a ridiculous amount of time. So much that it can be questioned. Dear reader, it’s up to you to decide if once every 18 minutes on average over every day of this poster’s time on Lemmy is a mark of a real poster, or someone who is far more nefarious.
I approve of this list wholeheartedly. I’m not sure how y’all aren’t getting blocked btw. This dude blocked me so fast lol. I must’ve struck a nerve with them.
If it is true what this poster is saying it does for a living, does that mean it’s stealing company time, or just REALLY dedicated and posting one post every 12 minutes for 8 hours when it’s not eating, sleeping, and working?
Again, we are talking averages, remember? We already figured out that it’s not literal. I don’t post every 12 minutes. Remember our last conversation from 3 minutes ago? You even admitted it’s not literal, and here you are going again like it is literal. You know, there are time stamps on comments and posts…lol
Also, are you at work right now, while you are replying to me? Because we’re actually replying to each other right now. I don’t work nights, but I don’t know about you.
We are both replying to each other in real time right now. Think about that for a second. Are you stealing time from your employer because you are replying to me right now? Or is it simply that you are home right now, like me?
You’re free to believe what you want to, friend. If ya don’t like my explanations, that’s cool with me. I’ve just posted some more stuff too, so my stats are updating again. Thank you!
As I’ve stated before, we’ve discussed Monk’s account between the admins and the mods, the consensus opinion is that they have shitty opinions, but having shitty opinions is not a TOS violation.
Curious, can a user be banned/moderated for a DM they send? They’ve messaged me before, in let’s just say a …different… tone than they use in comments. Dude even invented some bizarre story about me… It’s something.
I’m going to be honest with you. My problem isn’t this person’s opinions. It’s his behaviour. And you’re slowly beginning to see it. This guy is a classic sea-lion, to use your own reasoning for his ban. He is hounding. Boastful and gloating. Disruptive and combative, while hiding behind a veneer of faux civility. Disrespectful of any dissent. And with a behaviour that sure seems like he might just be three raccoons in a trenchcoat, each with a phone, to put a humorous twist on an accusation you probably wouldn’t let stand given past history. I’m saying there’s plenty of TOS violations (multiple Rule 3 and Rule 4) right in front of your face, if you’d only see them.
But that’s OK. This is not my community to admin. Your community, your rules, and your enforcement. I also get the stress of dealing with people who think you’re not doing enough things or the right things on adminning a community; being a mod is a thankless job with scores of people who think you’re doing it wrong. Note that I wasn’t the one who drew your attention to this thread for an example of that. I’ll live within the letter of your law, though I will definitely point out where I see discrepancy in enforcement. I can’t call this poster a troll, Russian Asset, Paid Actor, or Bot, but I will point out that this user has been banned for 3 days for being a sealion by the admin team after over a month of constant anti-social behaviour. That should be within the letter of the law, right?
I still think you’re treating Monk with kid gloves while coming down on us like a ton of bricks, requiring us to give this…person respect he’s totally and completely unwilling to give us, but again, your community, your rules, and my only real option is deal with it or go somewhere else. I’m not letting this jerk run me off from an otherwise nice community, so here I am.
PS: This is what this poster sent to me.
Schoolyard bully approach with an extra dose of gloating asshole behaviour. Also, I never said this poster can’t post what it wants. I’ve said that its posting history is highly suspect (back to my three raccoons in a trenchcoat analogy), sure, and that I disagree with much of what it posts, and that it is pulling for Trump/Putin with everything it posts, but it is allowed to post what it wants. It just has to deal with all the negative comments and downvotes when it posts its inane drivel.
So why did you come back here, where people are rational?
Again, if you truly believe that 3rd parties need a place at the table (and for the record, I truly believe they do), you should be pushing people to support FairVote Action, not Jill Stein.
Considering your nearly inhuman posting frequency, you could be an effective agent for actual change. So why are you wasting your time doing this instead of using your considerable free time to actually make a difference?
So why did you come back here, where people are rational?
I think most people on Lemmy are rational.
Again, I’m not voting for Jill Stein. My “nearly inhuman posting frequency” as in me replying to you replying to me. I mean, you are having pretty inhuman posting frequency right now. OMG we are inhumans! Awesome!
Who’s annoyed, lol? Do you think I haven’t noticed you downvote my every comment within seconds, but I haven’t downvoted you once? Are you aware some instances let you see who downvotes what? XD
I was banned 3 days for sealioning, that is correct. I disagree with the mods reasoning, but this is their community, their rules, so I am fine with it.
But you know what I realized during those three days? There are a lot of other Lemmy communities where people are open about voting third party. Cool, right?!
I ended up spending my time posting and chatting with like-minded folks, and it was actually fun! My voice wasn’t silenced at all—I just found bigger audiences who appreciated the same articles and wanted real discussions.
Not everyone thinks like you. And that’s ok.
You are free to believe whatever you would like. I don’t have to explain anything more to you. Thank you!
This poster disagrees that it was guilty of Sealioning. That’s amusing.
Dear reader, let’s look at what Sealioning is.
In short, it’s a form of trolling. Sealioning is defined specifically by the following characteristics:
Sealioning isn’t an exact match for this poster’s behaviour, but it’s damn close. Little petty grammar and spelling nazi comments. Intruding into other people’s DMs without permission. Constantly hiding behind the community rules. Using and abusing the fuck out of laws of civility and this community, while having zero intention to do anything but be disruptive, annoying, insulting, condescending, and otherwise just plain unpleasant, secure in the knowledge that we can’t call it out for what it is because the Mods have handcuffed us with these silly ‘be civil’ rules.
The mods have actually tagged this poster with a three day timeout for being a troll. I don’t think that gives me permission to carte blanc call this poster a troll, but I can at least point out every time I see it pushing its latest nonsense that the moderator team here has suspended its access for 3 days for trolling. We’ll see if the mods let that stay up. Given the nonsense that the mods have let stay up for the person they put in time out for being a troll, I hope it will. Kind of like calling out a convicted thief as a thief, or a convicted fraudster as a fraudster. Just with a silly extra step because we wouldn’t want to be uncivil to someone who is wanting to be uncivil to us.
The modlog is public: https://lemmy.world/modlog/1252
My posts do NOT come out every 18 minutes, 24 hours a day. That’s 100 percent false. You can just look at the time stamps and see that’s false. The time frames mentioned are averages, not actual posting intervals. It’s not literal, friend.
And as you just mentioned, the mods banned me for 3 days. I’ve had comments removed when they thought I went too far, just as you have had. So no, I don’t get any preferential treatment from them, nor have I ever asked. No one is “handcuffed” when it comes to speaking out against me.
@jordanlund@lemmy.world would you like to jump in and address his concerns regarding the modding activity of this community?
This poster seems to have forgotten the times it ‘slid up in my DMs’ to ‘check up on me’…I haven’t. :)
This is the poster’s posting history from my perspective. 1490+ posts. 3410+ comments. That’s over a 61 day period. That’s 4900 posts and comments, which comes out to 80 posts and comments a day, 3.347 posts per hour, or roughly once per 17.9 minutes.
The receipts are up there. Thanks @SatansMaggotyCumFart for the work of figuring out this poster’s utter dedication to posting.
The time frames mentioned are averages, not actual posting intervals.
It doesn’t mean I post every 17.9 minutes nonstop around the clock. We all understand what averages are, right?
I’m not ashamed at all of my post history; it’s public. I’m actually proud when you all post it and I stand by everything I’ve said and don’t regret any of my posts! :)
But if you’re interpreting or implying an average as a precise, continuous posting schedule, then the real issue is our education system, not my activity.
See? This is the bullshit this poster throws out when confronted.
NOBODY is going to go make a scatter-graph of this poster’s posting habits to show how often it’s on posting. We’re just going to do the easy maths. Like I just did. ON AVERAGE this poster makes a comment every 18 minutes. If it sleeps 8 hours, we would divide 80 by 16, and the posting rate becomes an even more insane once per 12 minutes, every waking moment of the day. And then we start asking other uncomfortable questions, like…‘does this person work for a living? Or is this person’s work posting on here for a living?’ Not where I think this poster wants us to start drifting in our thinking, I don’t think.
But that fits with the ban for trolling this poster got. It knows that once every 18 minutes, or once every 12 minutes sixteen hours a day, or once every six minutes eight hours a day looks bad, so it starts distractifying with the nonsense that I’m saying straight out that it stays up 24/7/365 which would make it a bot or at least a group of people operating on 24 hour shifts. I’m just saying that if you average it all out, this poster is dedicating ridiculously stupidly large amounts of time to force it down our throat that it’s voting third party.
Again. I’m only interacting with this poster because we’re not crushing Trump 70 to 30. Were we, I’d not even bother with this foolish human (?) – let it waste its vote if it wants, that won’t make Trump more likely. But somehow, Trump is pulling 49.8% in some very scary places, and we ALL need to be all hands on deck, and the only reason you wouldn’t be is if you don’t mind if Trump wins and fucks the entire goddamn country in the process.
They throw out weird bs because it’s more than one person and they’re confused
I wanted to say this, but it’s kinda forbidden around here to do that. :)
Well, then maybe don’t post my stats if you can’t back them up. But as you are admitting now, the numbers you’re talking about are averages, they’re not literal timing intervals. I’m actually proud of my posting numbers. Not embarrassed at all.
Not uncomfortable for me. I’ve mentioned my occupation several times. In fact, there was a whole chain of one poster mocking me for what I do for a living and the low pay I get! I’m a teaching assistant in an underserved, undefunded public school. I’m not uncomfortable or embarrassed about it. I love what I do!
Nah, I don’t think I will listen to what this poser is saying…err, sorry, POSTER. Missed a T there. I swear it was accidental. :)
I approve of this list wholeheartedly. I’m not sure how y’all aren’t getting blocked btw. This dude blocked me so fast lol. I must’ve struck a nerve with them.
Again, we are talking averages, remember? We already figured out that it’s not literal. I don’t post every 12 minutes. Remember our last conversation from 3 minutes ago? You even admitted it’s not literal, and here you are going again like it is literal. You know, there are time stamps on comments and posts…lol
Also, are you at work right now, while you are replying to me? Because we’re actually replying to each other right now. I don’t work nights, but I don’t know about you.
We are both replying to each other in real time right now. Think about that for a second. Are you stealing time from your employer because you are replying to me right now? Or is it simply that you are home right now, like me?
You’re free to believe what you want to, friend. If ya don’t like my explanations, that’s cool with me. I’ve just posted some more stuff too, so my stats are updating again. Thank you!
And this is the problem. You’re the kid who keeps shitting in the pool. Because it makes you laugh and everyone else hates you for it.
As I’ve stated before, we’ve discussed Monk’s account between the admins and the mods, the consensus opinion is that they have shitty opinions, but having shitty opinions is not a TOS violation.
Curious, can a user be banned/moderated for a DM they send? They’ve messaged me before, in let’s just say a …different… tone than they use in comments. Dude even invented some bizarre story about me… It’s something.
That would be outside the scope of moderation, but DMs have a report option that goes to the Admins of their instance and your instance.
Admins can and do ban people for that. As a mod, I’ve had to report more than a few DMs myself.
I’m going to be honest with you. My problem isn’t this person’s opinions. It’s his behaviour. And you’re slowly beginning to see it. This guy is a classic sea-lion, to use your own reasoning for his ban. He is hounding. Boastful and gloating. Disruptive and combative, while hiding behind a veneer of faux civility. Disrespectful of any dissent. And with a behaviour that sure seems like he might just be three raccoons in a trenchcoat, each with a phone, to put a humorous twist on an accusation you probably wouldn’t let stand given past history. I’m saying there’s plenty of TOS violations (multiple Rule 3 and Rule 4) right in front of your face, if you’d only see them.
But that’s OK. This is not my community to admin. Your community, your rules, and your enforcement. I also get the stress of dealing with people who think you’re not doing enough things or the right things on adminning a community; being a mod is a thankless job with scores of people who think you’re doing it wrong. Note that I wasn’t the one who drew your attention to this thread for an example of that. I’ll live within the letter of your law, though I will definitely point out where I see discrepancy in enforcement. I can’t call this poster a troll, Russian Asset, Paid Actor, or Bot, but I will point out that this user has been banned for 3 days for being a sealion by the admin team after over a month of constant anti-social behaviour. That should be within the letter of the law, right?
I still think you’re treating Monk with kid gloves while coming down on us like a ton of bricks, requiring us to give this…person respect he’s totally and completely unwilling to give us, but again, your community, your rules, and my only real option is deal with it or go somewhere else. I’m not letting this jerk run me off from an otherwise nice community, so here I am.
PS: This is what this poster sent to me.
Schoolyard bully approach with an extra dose of gloating asshole behaviour. Also, I never said this poster can’t post what it wants. I’ve said that its posting history is highly suspect (back to my three raccoons in a trenchcoat analogy), sure, and that I disagree with much of what it posts, and that it is pulling for Trump/Putin with everything it posts, but it is allowed to post what it wants. It just has to deal with all the negative comments and downvotes when it posts its inane drivel.
So why did you come back here, where people are rational?
Again, if you truly believe that 3rd parties need a place at the table (and for the record, I truly believe they do), you should be pushing people to support FairVote Action, not Jill Stein.
Considering your nearly inhuman posting frequency, you could be an effective agent for actual change. So why are you wasting your time doing this instead of using your considerable free time to actually make a difference?
I think most people on Lemmy are rational.
Again, I’m not voting for Jill Stein. My “nearly inhuman posting frequency” as in me replying to you replying to me. I mean, you are having pretty inhuman posting frequency right now. OMG we are inhumans! Awesome!
Thank you for the compliments, friend!
You’re hilarious. You know I meant what the second-top comment on this post said:
Everyone can see it. You’re very transparent. Keep replying, though. You only look weirder with each reply.
Well, if I’m so transparent, then ya have nothing to worry about or be mad about when it comes to my posts. See? All good. Thank you!
I’m not mad, lol. Just mildly amused at your dedication to the bit.
Again, FairVote Action. I’ll keep linking it until you actually look at it.
Good, because you sounded pretty annoyed. Glad you’re not.
But hey, if it’s just mild amusement, then no worries about what I post. Thank you!
Who’s annoyed, lol? Do you think I haven’t noticed you downvote my every comment within seconds, but I haven’t downvoted you once? Are you aware some instances let you see who downvotes what? XD
We went over that and you clarified that you are mildly amused. So all good. Thank you!
Hmmm. Interesting.
But have you considered FairVote Action?