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Yes, it can and that’s why we should keep trying.
But it does seem less likely than in 2016.
I’m not desperate (am Canadian) but I don’t blame desperate people.
The ends don’t justify the means but no one is denying that they do get results.
And that the correct means have been tried for decades.
I feel like we’ve made more progress in our national discussion regarfing healthcare since the assassination than we have in the previous 10 years.
I don’t want to think that violence is the answer, but damn if it ain’t a conversation starter.
There is no escaping that sometimes violence is the only answer. It took that level of drama for right wingers to acknowledge what they have in common with progressives. It’s really hard for right wing populists to resist supporting murder.
I’ve also seen more people realize that an armed populace can provide a check on oppression witpopulrequiring a revolutionary uprising and defeating the military.
Having more guns than people means that the more people you piss off, the less safe you are.
If ine nutjob with a gun wants a politician or business leader dead, they can be stopped.
If 100,000 nutjobs want to assassinate you, one of them is gonna slip through.
There’s also the fact that the day after many insurance companies were suddenly approving procedures they denied the day before.
In all likelihood the assassination saved lives.
Word is, when Bernie first saw the news of the murder, he said, “Fuck yes.”
Even if he didn’t support the action, it is clearly getting us to talk about what he wants to talk about.
We’ve had several mass movements about it over the past 15~20 years, the only thing that has worked so far is lead poisoning.
I know we loved the leaded solution and we won’t cry if more happens but yeah at the of the day the system will need a legal reform to properly depose the parasites.
Shootings might continue until morale improves?
My morale is already improving personally. 3 lead tablets a day keeps the insurance companies at bay. Guaranteed to get you a better rate.
RL lakecityquietpills
I feel like there’s a real chance they will continue… The reaction to this was just so insanely positive, despite the fact a man was murdered.
Have we ever seen anything like this as a country before? I’m genuinely curious…
History is already absolutely littered with examples of this, and its a miracle there hasnt been more of it yet in the US.
It can’t be Democrats or republicans, those both are cunts.
Need to support a new party.
Is “working families” legit?
Sadly I dont see a third party ever being the solution due to our first past the post political system. We need election reform for a third party to exist, and those 2 cunts you mentioned would NEVER allow election reform to happen on their watch.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
So why not start right now? Not 3 months before elections, now.
Create a web platform and organize. Idea is - to create a “troll” factory but not for trolling , but rather for propagandizing the cause. Let’s say you have 10000 accounts army you can then direct on pushing the news and ideas we want and candidates we want.
So If i am understanding correctly. You want to use bots to spread propaganda to influence politics? The problem is that congress is going to vote how their donors tell them to vote, they don’t give a fuck what their voter base wants. You would also be competing against exactly what you are suggesting, giant capitalist media companies, and bot armies from hostile nation states. You just cant compete with their resources in spreading propaganda.
The Working Families party is like the Tea Party for the Democrats. I don’t believe they ever run as a third party.
How can they get elected? If the party is in the actual interest of American society then all of the money will be stacked up in opposition to them.
Because people like you will spread the word! :)
It’s true though that the Tea Party was quickly captured and turned into an astroturf campaign, so it had a lot of money behind it.
Unfortunately, changing the world isn’t easy.
Cool so let’s just give up then I guess.
It always cracks me up how the passive aggressive person saying “lets just give up then!” when one roadblock in a plan is pointed out, is generally the only person giving up. Oh no, the idea I wanted doesn’t work, guess were all out of options.
Let me rephrase your comment for you.
“We can’t go third party without election reform. Also election reform is impossible.”
Yeah I know what I said, as I was the one who said it, but since subtlety is clearly lost on you… Corruption through capitalist money has captured the government. Nothing is going to change in America without a revolution, otherwise we will continue to barrel fullsteam towards global financial collapse, or world war. If you’re interested please shoot me any way you think the system can be fixed without some sort of large violent upheaval and ill described 3 ways in which the system is already securely rigged against it. Ill give you reason #1 as a freebie since it applies to any route you may suggest: they have become way too good at pitting us against each other over wedge issues about shit that doesn’t affect us, so we just accept voting for things based on social issues, and as such we can never vote on real issues.
The Working Families party appears to be legit. Adam Conover did an interview with one of their organizers and it really felt like they had the right ideas and were building the right tools to give power to the people, while understanding the system as-is is stacked against what they want.
I’ve had enough of my country being for hire.
There has to be a LOT of caution in not letting neolib leadership in the door. neolib commoners? yes. Neolib leaders? No. They just enabled a genocide for money in our name, with the whole world watching. They are pure poison and have to be left outside like pets that have turned rabid. Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton (not sure baout Obama) they are not our friends or allies. They are holding us down and doing what they want. Let them join the republican party where they always belonged.
They need to be disavowed for this new party to have any chance at being taken seriously. The second these bastards get in they will look to overthrow whatever is built and bring back pay-for-play mercenary politics like AIPAC.
certainly if the movement is fast enough, as we’ve learned.
Say a muzzle velocity of roughly 1100 ft per second?
Sometimes it do be like that
maybe a mass movement and a few other… things… will do it.
This country needs to have a mass bowel movement and flush that shit down the drain.
Mass movement, movement of mass, close enough.
Yeah a small mass of lead with a lot of movement behind it would do wonders to the brain of most ceo’s
~1100 fps for an object about 9x21 mm
But when I say the same solution I get banned from communities for being a “coward” and “copaganda.”
I think if Bernie suggested murdering all the CEOs he’d get banned from his communities, though.
Yeah but how come CEOs never get banned anywhere for murdering all the working class Premium payers…
Hmmm
CEOs have a fiduciary duty to shareholders to produce profit. Killing customers is profitable. Can’t see where this could go wrong.
I don’t think such things have ever or will ever stop Bernie Sanders from speaking his mind.
I think they’re suggesting that the system allowed Bernie because he advocates working within it, not that he hid his beliefs to be more accepted.
So he wants us to beat ceos. Got it
a mass movement of 3d printed felonies
I didn’t see any felonies
Just a well done job.
The problem in my country is that most people are complacent and could care less to do anything about it aside from trying to overthrow the government because they had to wear masks and take a vaccine.
Dont forget that at its core those people are outraged with the hand they were dealt, the GOP is just very good at directing that anger where they want (in that case masks and vaccines). However there is an option where we can stop dem vs gop fighting at a citizen level, and channel our outrage together at the people who are actually ruining our lives, billionaires and their government lackeys. Otherwise its total economic collapse, or WW3
For me, it’s canada, and the liberal and conservative party. As it stands, the cons will win a majority goverment if there was an election called today, as there is alot of distaste for justin trudeau. The thing i’m most afraid of is bringing ethno-christian values into the country as legal laws, and cutting programs that benefit canadians, like the cons have done in the past.
Yeah its the same in the US. Ultimately its just a wedge issue to keep left and right fighting each other so that the capitalists can continue to rob us all blind.
The problem is that people my age, and older are complacent, or want the conservatives to win. They are brainwashed by social media and love trump.
Stop thinking about con vs lib, that’s step 1. Its the 99 against the 1. The more you discuss liberal this, conservative that, the more divided we are, the less we can actually affect change.
