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    3 hours ago

    Bad title. Biden won’t enforce it because “Given the sheer fact of timing, this Administration recognizes that actions to implement the law simply must fall to the next Administration, which takes office on Monday”. Trump takes office literally the next day, so he’s going to have to enforce it (or not).

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    I understand the “but I like TikTok” crowd, but China bans US companies from operating in China all the time. Why is it all of a sudden a problem when we do it to them?

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      Facebook had less than a million users in China before it was banned in 2009. It was struggling against domestic platforms like Webo.

      TikTok has 150 million active monthly users and is one of the largest social media apps in the US.

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        51 minutes ago

        The fact that a counter-intelligence campaign has so many users is exactly why it needs to be banned

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          Where’s the evidence that it’s “counter intelligence” I hear a lot of completely unverified claims that sound like 1950s reds under the bed nationalist hysteria

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      I think tiktok should probably be banned, but I think that “it’s ok because the chinese government does it” is a pretty flimsy argument.

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      And better yet China will turn around and weaponize this against us. Forcing companies manufacturing over there to sell off their interest in the manufacturing plants Etc. This s*** can go both ways and everyone’s about to learn the hard way.

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    Whether or not this particular ban is enforced is irrelevant. The point was simply to establish the precedent that the government can restrict citizens’ access to social media.

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        Pornhub is different though, because they could base it in existing laws barring minors from accessing pornography. It didn’t really establish any new precedents, but instead simply expanded enforcement of existing statutes to the internet.

        That’s not to say it was a good thing - it just doesn’t pose the same sort of existential threat that this poses.

        The difference here is that there are no existing laws that pertain to TikTok, so it’s not justvthe application of existing law to the internet. This is an entirely new power - the authority to simply pass a law decreeing that a particular site is to be banned in the US, entirely regardless of the legal standing of the site or its content, but solely because those with the authority to do so have decided that that’s what they want to do

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      I mean they’re also banning chinese networking hardware, chinese phone manufacturers, chinese software in cars, considering banning chinese drones, potentially banning tencent games, etc etc

      I’m feeling pretty confident that the goal here is banning chinese spying considering all the other bans.

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        No government ever oppresses its citizenry by announcing that they’re setting out to oppress the citizenry.

        They always, without exception, do it by first targeting someone the bulk of the populace thinks deserves it, and then only later incrementally expanding their reach.

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          That’s true, and that’s why so many internet censorship it spying bills are officially to counter pedophiles.

          Banning tiktok is clearly controversial though, and I honestly don’t think it’s trying to soften people up to the government banning social media.

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            That’s true, and that’s why so many internet censorship it spying bills are officially to counter pedophiles.

            Yes.

            But that was just an interim strategy, and could never serve their long-term goal, since all it could allow them to do is to institutionalize the authority to censor in cases of activity already deemed criminal.

            The difference with the TikTok ban is that neither TikTok nor its users have been accused of any crime. This ban is being enacted in spite of the fact that there’s nothing criminal about the site, and that’s a new power.

            I honestly don’t think it’s trying to soften people up to the government banning social media.

            I guarantee that that’s exactly what it’s about.

            It’s not a coincidence that all of the domestic social media overlords have already lined up to swear their fealty to Trump (and to hand him big piles of money). They know which way the wind is blowing, and they’re ensuring that they don’t get TikToked.

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        Its being banned because of Zionist lobbying to censor pro Palestinian content. The China spying story is a cover.

        US Social media platforms like Meta have been aggressively censoring Palestinian content.

        https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and

        https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/meta-censorship-devastating-palestinian-news-sources

        Jonathan Greenblatt. ADL director gave it away last year in a leaked recording when he said “we have a TikTok problem”.

        https://youtube.com/shorts/0f4cbLic3aA?si=uvk6cBVqPksRScBU